For a QLD engineer, QLD info needed

Submitted: Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 10:45
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Hi all,
What do I need to do to my vehicle to change the tyres from a 265/70R15 to a 265/75R16?? Iwant to buy new wheels and tyres in this size, I have found wheels with the same offset and the vehicle has been raised so the height will fit inside the guards no problem. They will bolt on and not hit anything so no mods are needed to make them fit. I just want to know if I have to do something with brakes cause of the bigger rolling diametre. The speedo is currently (from new) reading about 9km/h slow at 100km/h. eg 100 on GPS is 91 on speedo. The bigger diametre should fix this Yes??
I want to make it all Legal in QLD, so who in Townsville can do this???
The tyre blokes are no help they just say well if you get caught you get caught and the police aren't really policing this at the moment (trying to get a sale).
Any help is appreciated.
Richard
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Reply By: Utemad - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 12:37

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 12:37
According to this the difference between the two is 26.5mm. The max in Qld is 15mm larger diameter than biggest factory tyre.

They would have to be pretty picky to pull you up for that considering the difference in sizes on some of our 4x4s that we get away with. However it is still illegal all the same.
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Follow Up By: Richard & Anita (QLD), Members - Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 15:09

Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 15:09
Thanks for the link

The actual difference though is 51.9mm

I think you made both wheels 16in, instead of going from a 15in wheel to a 16in wheel.

Thanks for the link though it is a ripper.
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Reply By: NJ SWB - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 15:36

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 15:36
Utemad is correct. Qld Transport don't want people to run larger tyres than standard, so there is no way to legally go more than 15mm larger than standard. Many people fit larger tyres anyway, many going much larger than you're proposing.

To help you make an educated decision:

Your vehicle would be technically illegal, but it will take an alert officer to notice it. The biggest factor to consider is insurance; your car is technically not roadworthy. In the event of an accident, your insurance company would need to prove that the accident could have been avoided had the vehicle not been defective i.e. you could have avoided the accident if the tyres were the correct size. They can't deny a head-on claim because one tail light was broken.

If you do go ahead, your brakes won't be as effective - make sure you use quality pads and linings (you have rear drums?)

Your speedo measurements don't sound right; have you got those figures the right way around? I would expect 100 on your speedo to be 91 on the GPS. Changing to the tyres you want would bring the true 91 up to about a true 98.

The size you're interested in is the most popular size of 4wd tyre in rural Australia - you'll be able to find a replacement the right size just about anywhere they sell tyres. You will have a much larger selection of tyres too, almost all with higher load rating than the factory tyres (and therefore tougher, and less likely to fail.)

Taller gearing will affect your low-speed off-road capability, and you'll probably use more fuel because the larger and heavier tyres are harder to turn.

That's all I can think of for now.

Cheers,

Scott
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Follow Up By: Andy - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 17:20

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 17:20
here is a question re tyre sizes.
I have just imported my 1993 80 series VX Ltd from New Zealand (ex Japan). It has a number of mods including 285/70/16 A/T Bridgestones. No questions were asked by the complience inspector with regard to the large wheels and apart from a couple of maintainance requirements that I knew about, the only thing that had to be done was the replacement of all the seat belts which had passed NZ Specs for the last 2 years. Aussie fed instuctions. This was done in Brisbane which I believe is in Qld.
Because I have a full complience plate does this mean I am safe from the guys and gals in Blue.
Andy M
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Follow Up By: Andy - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 17:49

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 17:49
Sorry Tyre Size 285/75/16
Andy M
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Follow Up By: NJ SWB - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 17:52

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 17:52
Andy

If the tyres are listed on the compliance plate, you should be legal. But there's no guarantee that an over-zealous officer of the law won't write you a ticket for it.

Given that your tyres (approx. 32") are not particularly large for an 80 series the probability of anybody becoming upset is very low. There's hundreds of 80 series out there on 33s and 35s which should attract attention first.

Don't lose any sleep over it, but if you do get pulled over for any reason, be nice. Don't give them a reason to look closely and they won't notice.

Cheers,

Scott
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Follow Up By: NJ SWB - Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 17:53

Saturday, Aug 27, 2005 at 17:53
Ah! That's a 33" tyre, and still doesn't look too large on an 80 series.

Scott
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Follow Up By: Richard & Anita (QLD), Members - Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 15:05

Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 15:05
Thanks for the info. You are right the speedo is the other way around. at 100 on the Speedo I am actually going 91 on the GPS. Will larger diameter tyres fix this????
The actual height increase from the link utemad gave is 51.9mm taller.
It is definatly illegal, but I think the extra height under the diffs will be worth it. I didn't think of the fuel economy though. I suppose it is bad enough already a couple more k's per 100 won't hurt.

Once again thankyou
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Reply By: Member - John C (QLD) - Sunday, Aug 28, 2005 at 20:04

Sunday, Aug 28, 2005 at 20:04
I changed my 96 GLX pajero over from 235/75/15 to 235/85/16, that is from 29" to 32".

Went to a local mechanic in brisbane for a modification plate.
We talked it through, but I had a few facts and figures with me.
Other model pajeros at the time had larger tyres (e.g. GLS/Exceed) and the same mechanicals in regard to brakes etc.
Also, I was keeping to 235 wide tyres, and same offset rims (15x6 to 16x6) so no change in track.
I am told I was lucky to get it through.

Speedo now reads 100 at 102k true.
Do some research on other models, even one of different years but same mechanicals like brakes and suspension. You might only be going up 15mm after all :-).
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Follow Up By: Glenno - Sunday, Aug 28, 2005 at 21:28

Sunday, Aug 28, 2005 at 21:28
What kind of modification plate were you intending to get from the mechanic?

Currently in Queensland there is no provision in the legislation for changes to tyres and rims outside the 15mm increase / 26mm decrease (as mentioed above). So no compliance plate can be issued.

I have a letter from Qld Transport advising me that I can run 30*95.R15's on my hilux ONLY if they are Highway terrain, as All Terrain tyres have too much tread which makes them larger than the 15mm allowed.

Do yourself a favour and find a mate in Vic and register your car at his address.

Cheers,

Glenn.
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Follow Up By: Member - John C (QLD) - Monday, Aug 29, 2005 at 16:52

Monday, Aug 29, 2005 at 16:52
Glenno,

Thanks for the reply.
I have a blue modification plate on the firewall of the pajero stating 235/85/16 N are an acceptable modification.
That was done in 1997.
Went through the then current modification book with the mechanic to double check the requirements, and then the main rule was the old 10% increase in diameter and the 20mm on track.
Now you have me thinking if the new rules make the modification plate superceeded?
I think I need to check. Do you have any idea?
In those days, the upper trim pajeros were just starting to run 16" rims, GLS was still on 15x7", the car had 15x6" rims and the base spec was running 16" split rims, so I may be OK. Might check the tyre placard again on the B pillar.
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