fog lights

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 30, 2005 at 22:42
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how effective are the orange fog lights in normal clear night conditions?
thanks
Dan
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 30, 2005 at 23:00

Tuesday, Aug 30, 2005 at 23:00
They are illegal in clear conditions.
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Follow Up By: craig - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 00:37

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 00:37
DIVISION 12FOG LIGHTS



Front fog lights

105. (1) A pair of front fog lights may be fitted to a motor vehicle with 4 or more wheels.



(2) A pair of front fog lights, or a single front fog light, may be fitted to a motor bike or trike.



(3) A pair of front fog lights fitted to a motor vehicle with 4 or more wheels must have the centre of each light not over 400 millimetres from the nearer side of the vehicle unless the centres of the lights are at least 600 millimetres apart.



(4) If the top of the front fog light is higher than the top of any low‑beam headlight on the vehicle, the centre of the fog light must not be higher than the centre of the low‑beam headlight.



(5) A front fog light must:



(a)when on:



(i)project white or yellow light in front of the vehicle; and



(ii)be a low‑beam light; and



(b)be able to be operated independently of any headlight; and



(c)be fitted so the light from it does not reflect off the vehicle into the driver's eyes.

219 Lights not to be used to dazzle other road users
A driver must not use, or allow to be used, any light fitted to or in the driver’s vehicle
to dazzle, or in a way that is likely to dazzle, another road user.
Offence provision.

My understanding is that its a low beam light and therefore legal.
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Bris. - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 06:50

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 06:50
My monies with Truck
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 08:25

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 08:25
$67 fine for using them in clear conditions in NSW
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:21

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:21
yea, im not really sure why people would want to use them in clear conditions apart from the wanq factor... in that case sell the 4b and buy a lowered honda civic that an ant cant crawl under
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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Aug 30, 2005 at 23:03

Tuesday, Aug 30, 2005 at 23:03
Dan most fog lights are focused at a short distance down low so on a clear night would probably have less penetration down the road than your standard high beam. They may however give a little extra light out to the sides. The orange lens softens the light giving less reflection off the fog, again no advantage on a clear night. Cheers Craig........
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Reply By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 00:46

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 00:46
My Prado has fog lights fitted standard and I must say that in fog and on clear nights they are not worth a pinch of bleep !

I have tried numerous times turning them on and off while running in various conditions underneath my normal low beam headlights and am yet to see ANY benefit. maybe a set of proper aftermarket fog lights might actually be of benefit but i can say that the ones that come with the car as standard just fall into the "wanker light" category and I doubt they will ever be turned on again!

I suspect this is the case with many other production vehicles.

Cheers
Muddy
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 09:08

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 09:08
Theres actually a thread on OL about the factory fitted "fog lights" and a new fine being 'created' 3 points and $200 or something like that if caught usin em. clear OR fog.. I dont really understand it, but thats what the dude was told by the bacon.
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Reply By: Member - John C (QLD) - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 08:08

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 08:08
I understand in Qld fog lights can only be used in inclement weather such as fog or rain. Use otherwise is illegal.
And as truckster and others have said, are intended to shine under the fog in the clear gap that is usually present just above the road surface.
Basically to get light an extra 10 to 20 metres down the road when normal low beam has problems getting past 10m.

So why don't you use a driving light in clear weather?

Now some people use different colours on driving and spot lights to reduce glare.
Is that what you mean?
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Reply By: Matt (W.A.) - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 09:07

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 09:07
Dan,
According to the Lightforce Web site Amber (Almost Orange!) are good for Off-road, Haze and Dust. I have three sets of filters for My Blitz 240's Crystal Clear, Snow Blue (Great in W.A!) and Crystal Blue I run The Crystal Blue ones for General Day to Day stuff they do make a difference.

With regards to the Use of "Fog Lights" My understanding is that you are supposed to turn your Headlights off to "Parkers" and switch your Fog Lights on to illuminate the Road In front of you otherwise all your doing is throwing a great big blanket of reflection up in your Face, if it's foggy we would all slow down a little you would hope?

Just my Opinion, Please correct me if I’m wrong, I have been known to be on the odd occasion!!

HTH
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Follow Up By: Julian - Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 12:40

Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 12:40
Quite correct Matt

The only reason for using fog lights is in fog! And then all other front lights (except parkers) should be off so as not to create a blanket dazzle effect. Anyone who uses them at the same time as dipped headlights in clear or foggy conditions is suffering from a common mental disorder linked to the diminutive size of a certain organ (the brain I think!).
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Reply By: spondo - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:51

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:51
hey hey g'day

as truckster stated above "a new law has been created" with all due respect it is not a new law as i have stated in previous posts on this topic that this law has been around for quite a number of years now as I have been pulled over in a heavy vehicle some 6 years ago and recieved an infringement notice for "unlawful use of fog lamps", they were clear fog lamps with a wattage no bigger than the allowable 55 watts as per low beam, recieved a $90 fine but lost no demerit points as there was no point loss at that time.... in the last revision of the N.S.W. laws and regulations as off july of this year they increased the fine to over $200 and a loss of demerit points...

fairdinkum how hard is it to get the message across.....pretty hard i assume as i drive down the road every night and every second vehicle has these lights blazing away oblivious to the fact that it is "illegal" unless it is FOGGY.... unfortuneatly the police are reluctant to enforce it or there's just that many halfwits that they cant keep on top of it, the latter i think being the case as i have heard of more and more people i know commenting on "wow i was pulled over the other night cause i had my w@nk lights on" in a very bleep off attitude.... well good on the copper thats doing his job and saving my aging eyeballs....

regards
robs
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Follow Up By: spondo - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:54

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:54
ammendment: that should be about 8 years ago
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Reply By: S&N - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 16:01

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 16:01
cant see how fog lights whould be any good on a fourby!!! they are just toooooo high up. i had a WRX and all the foglights are good for is, in clear weather they throw a wider beam, out to the gutters, but closer to the car than normal highbeam. i havent used the amber/orange ones so i cant comment on them, but from doing a lot of interstate trips through fog, i found that eventhough spotties make a big glow infront of the car, they also light up the cats eyes on the road for a good distance and then you atleast know where the road is going. which can help on the wineding roads where they sometimes dont space the cats eyes close enough together and you can be going off inbetween the cats eyes b4 you know it!!!
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Reply By: CMB - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 22:39

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 22:39
Extract from Qld Transport Modifications Guide.

It's here

Fog lights must be capable of being switched on and off
independently of any headlights but must only be able
to be switched on when the parking lights are on. Fog
lights must not be used except in fog or mist or under
other atmospheric conditions which restrict visibility.

Regs,

Chris
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