Chevy 6.5 litre motors - anyone had one fitted?

Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:13
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Got a quote to put a Brunswick Diesels rebuilt Chevy in the Patrol - around $20,000 less $4,000 for existing motor. Elder son says these Chevies are cr@p and overheat; he put one in a Cruiser few years ago, and has already had it rebuilt costing another $14,000. Says can't get sufficient cooling and it overheats under load. Anyone had experience with one in a Cruiser or Patrol? Met some people the other day from Qld pulling their Bushtracker with a Cruiser with Chevy fitted and they seemed happy with it. We see quite a few Patrols around with the V8 Brunswick Diesels sticker on, but haven't been able to speak to them. Any first hand knowledge appreciated. Thanks guys, Motherhen
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Reply By: Dazmit - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:21

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:21
Hi Motherhen

Can't help you with knowledge of the diesel conversion but I suspect you will will still have 2 problems. 1 - whether the auto gearbox in your Patrol can handle the extra torque since Nissan rate the Auto diesel Patrols at 2.5 tonne compared to the 3.2 tonne or so for the manual.

Your Patrol would still only have a 2.5 tonne tow limit and I would be surprised if your Bushtracker didn't weigh more than that.

Cheers

Darryl
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Follow Up By: motherhen - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:30

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:30
Brunswick Diesels do a lot of them and say works well with the auto gearbox. Yes, i suspect we would be over the limit fully loaded as it is 2.2 tonne tare - but according to Nissan dealer, the motor is exactly the same in the manual which tows 3.5 t. It seems only difference is the park gear giving in the 2.5 rating. Thanks for your feedback Darryl.
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Follow Up By: banjodog - Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 08:01

Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 08:01
To my way of thinking $20,000 buys a lot of fuel. Is the Nissan turboed? If not possibly get one or chip it or both - would be a lot cheaper than $20,000.

Seems like the Chevy sounds like a good idea on the surface but buys lots of (on-going) problems too from those commented here.

They are only the petrol version of the Chev V8 modified to be a diesel anyway which may be the reason for it not being robust.

You'd probably get a better resale value too when the time comes with the origional motor.
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Follow Up By: motherhen - Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 20:38

Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 20:38
Hi Banjodog - yes it is a 3 ltr turbo. My thinking too - husband wants to be sure we have something strong enough - i want to use the $$s to travel - they are little enough and cost of fuel going up and up - at this rate we will be lucky if we make it to the WA SA border before we run out of $$s. Other option is to get a 2nd hand Cruiser - but would spend at least the same to upgrade, and then have the unknown factor of buying other extras etc to get it where we have the Patrol.
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Follow Up By: banjodog - Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 06:43

Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 06:43
Well if you have the cash, buying another vehicle is always an option rather than over modifying your current vehicle.

If it were me I’d buy an early model Troopcarrier, petrol, fit a petrol V8 – Ford 5.0L – and still be under the $20,000 - but I have the advantage of being a mechanic so no installation costs and the ability to pick a good vehicle to do it to.

The troopy would have plenty of room and towing ability too. But if diesel is your thing, what about a TD LandRover Discovery? Has a higher rated tow, around the 4.0 tonne, compared to the Patrol and ride well too – then sell it if need be when you return.

But, as I've said $20k buy lots of fuel.

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Reply By: revhead307 - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:23

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:23
Gday,

I have driven one (very nice), and done a fair amount of research over time (only thing stopping me converting my GQ is cost lol)
Aparently in Patrols you need to upgrade ur radiator. the belhousing adaptor they use leaves little room for airflow under the bonnet in the GQ. So u need a heavy duty cooling system.

All in all, ive heard a lot of good things, the occasional mishap occurs in any vehicle situation, but if i had the money id definitely be sticking one in...power..economy and that V8 Diesel rumble.

yeehaa
Rev
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Follow Up By: motherhen - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:32

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:32
Son is biased from what seems to have been a bad experience. Tells us you get the nice noise, but no more power.
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Follow Up By: revhead307 - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:49

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 10:49
Yeah i can see that depending on what engine your replacing.

The specs on a 6.2L is 120kw @ 3600rpm, 6.5 is 130kw @ 3400rpm
Neither of these are huge power figures given the displacement, but the torque and towing ability is what most ppl want them for. Plenty of petrol 4x4's and some turbo diesels will beat or rival these figures.

From a GQ diesel...with TD42 where the factory power was 86kw you definitely notice a big increase in power.

but from turbo Diesel or more modern engine, it may not as pronounced.

I still think you cant move past em. for the performance vs fuel economy.
Rev
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Reply By: Bullwinkle - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 11:38

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 11:38
A mate of mine had one in a '75 F250. Used it to pull a 8 horse goose-neck around. I don't know exactly how much that weighed all up but he'd sit comfortably on 100 and push it out to 120 sometimes. It used to run a bit warm during summer but he didn't have anything actually go wrong with it apart from glow plugs. He'd get about 4 or 5 kays per litre with it.
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Reply By: V8troopie - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 14:45

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 14:45
I have the 6.2 litre Chevy in my troopie, done by Brunswick about 4 years (60,000km) ago. No problems at all with the motor. Back then the conversion cost 10 grand with trade in of a running 2H motor.

I need the torque to tow a 3 ton boat and the V8 motor handles that well, does not run hot at all. Only once by trying to maintain 90kmh, towing the boat into a very strong head wind, did the temp gauge climb up to the 3/4 mark.

It has the original radiator core with bigger header tanks for the larger diameter water hoses. They fitted a fixed fan blade and also an oil cooler. They fitted a complete new exhaust system and a 90amp alternator as well as the heavy duty clutch I requested.
No problem towing in fifth gear but I am careful with that extra power available. Never use first gear now on my daily driving ( the troopie literally 'jumps'), only use it for towing or to get up the steep driveway first thing in the morning.

Fuel consumption around town is 14 l/100km.

Scottie, the foreman at Brunswick, is very nice to deal with, Greg, the owner? does not want to speak to you once you handed over the money.

I do not know if the 6.5 l motor has any problems, the 6.2 does not have any for me - yet.

Klaus
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Follow Up By: motherhen - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 21:35

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 21:35
Hi V8 - you have the 6.2 like the one my son is unhappy about - cost us about 10g at the time with no trade in.
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Follow Up By: Ferret - Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 19:53

Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 19:53
You don't live on silversmith do you?
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Follow Up By: motherhen - Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 18:55

Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 18:55
Ferret
Who? Where? What?
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Reply By: big red car - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 18:02

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 18:02
2.5 years ago we fitted a 6.5 to our 62 seires cruiser, it was the best thing we ever did. total motor rebuild and balance was $11500, the adapter kit and fitting brought the total to $19500. its a great tow viehicle, we average 22mpg when not towing the best we have ever done is 25 mpg. we do not have any over heating problems, if you give it full noise for an extended period you can make the temp gauge climb a little, but it remains within a safe working range.

it sounds great, will pull the bend out of a river and best of all no computer.

the total job took 2 weeks and was done by linquip in gympie.

hope that helps
regards johno
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Follow Up By: motherhen - Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 23:00

Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 23:00
Do Linquip have a website or email address Johno?
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Follow Up By: motherhen - Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 23:01

Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 23:01
Cancel that request Johno - i think i've found their website.
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 19:13

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 19:13
I've got a 75 series Cruiser with a Brunswick 6.5 in it. It's worked just fine for years. Not as fast as you might think but still surprises me at times. Off-road it is simply phenomonal when combined with a Detroit Locker.

One difference you can't quantify on paper is the ear to ear grin you get every time you open it up from 800rpm under load with a straight through pipe. Never get that with a Jap 4 or 6 no matter how many computer chips you install.

Big bucks no matter which way you look at it though.

Rumblerumblerumblerumblerumblerumble........:-)))))
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Reply By: cokeaddict - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 19:59

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 19:59
wwwaaaahhhhhhhh.....
I want One !!!!!!!
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Reply By: gordy1964 - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 20:54

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 20:54
Hi,
well a friend of mine has one in his chevvy, towing horses, and yes they go well, yes they get warm, fairly warm, especially with the computer control for the fuel injection nesstled in between the valley cover. At over $3000 to replace the module, not cheap. Parts can be a nightmare here in oz, sometimes $$$ wise, this is why the Qld Ambulance up here have given them the flick, otherwise, I believe a good motor.

Gordy
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 21:00

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 21:00
Brunswick do the mechanical injected model. They can fit the big port turbo heads to a naturally injected donk so they breathe well too.

This avoids those problems.
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Reply By: 10 Para (Qld) - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 21:28

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 21:28
What and how heavy is the vechile you are trying to tow, if they are going to offer you 4,000 for the old engine can't be that bad.
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Follow Up By: motherhen - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 21:34

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 21:34
We're pulling the Bushtracker (2.2 tonne tare) with a 3 ltr td auto. Does it well, but is really a bit heavy for a Nissan when you add water and all our gear. They said they will pay the $4g (inspection dependent) as it is under 100,000 kms - after that it would be a different story. I'm happy to stick with the Patrol as it is so at least we'll be able to buy enough diesel to get past the border! No use having the perfect rig and no money to hit the road.
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Follow Up By: 10 Para (Qld) - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 21:45

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 21:45
You are right there, we also have the Patrol but allas 4.8 Petrol plenty of power and torque have added the chip last year, and will be doing the extractors and exhust next week, our problem is the amount of fuel we have to carry, gets to be a bit of a circle after a while, as i understand it the 3.0 has some go in it but have met a few that have had some problems with the 5th gear i think due to towing, Have also contacted Brunswick and got quoted 22,000 for the 6.5 but they still have trouble with our type of auto box reckon they will get it right soon so might look at it then.
Don't know what to advise only if is running OK stay with it and put the miles behind you.
Regards
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Reply By: mechpete - Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 22:09

Wednesday, Aug 31, 2005 at 22:09
Hi motherhen ,
just read ya article on fitting a 6.5 L65 engine .
my advice to you would be don,t go near them !!!
speaking from lots of experience eg. Ambulance fleet .we spend a bloody fortune
keeping them on the road a few examples ,they leak oil from every place you can think of , they have a problem of porous blocks eg. water in oil , they have cyl head problems , injector pump problems ,harmonic balancer failuers ,use oil ,
premature failure of water pumps ,power steering pump pulleys crack and fall off
vacuum pumps are popular to fail ,get very noisy!! glow plugs are comon to fail
elecrronics on pump are notoriously unreliable and bloody expensive .
The pump has been upgraded in the US 3 times since 92 the black box (FSD) has been upgraded twice and the problems are still the same .
If ya gonna put an engine in a vehicle that has emission control system the engine ya put in must comply with the same regs that the vehicle was built to comply with
otherwise the vehicle is unroadworhty.
some onfo to chew on .in short ( heap of bleep ) and not cost effective to rebuild

cheers mechpete Shepparton.
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Follow Up By: motherhen - Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 20:40

Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 20:40
Thanks for the feedback Mechpete - good to hear these negatives, particularly after our sons's experience.
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Reply By: traveller2 - Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 08:23

Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 08:23
As has been said, the grunt combined with the sound makes it all worth while. My Humvee has a 6.2l, gives similar fuel economy to a loaded 1HZ powered troopy. Parts are pretty cheap compared to Tojo bits, most can be bought direct from the US, quite often on Ebay. Yes there are problems with mid to late 90's 6.5 blocks, well known and casting numbers and other info is freely available. The FSD on electronically controlled pumps is problematic as is anything electronic that is mounted on a hot vibrating diesel, remote mounting kits are available to mount the FSD on the vehicle body. The mechanically injected engines are in the same vein as a Nissan 4.2, 2H and 1Hz, basic and reliable.
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:10

Thursday, Sep 01, 2005 at 11:10
Well said.
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