Madigan Line

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We're planning on doing the Madigan Line in the northern Simpson Desert. Does anybody have figures on fuel consumption (diesel vehicles)? Your feedback is very much appreciated.
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Reply By: Willem - Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 19:24

Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 19:24
Crossing the Simpson offroad in a Suzuki returned 27lt/100km. Crossing the Simpson in a Nissan 4.2lt diesel(tracks only) returned 14.5lt/100km. I would estimate getting around 22 to 20lt/100km in my truck going offroad..

I would say you should get between 25 and 20lt/100km of you are careful. It could depend a lot on the weight your vehicle is carrying and your driving style

Do an archive search on this site as there should be a few pointers from travellers who have done this trip before.

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Reply By: ACDC - Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 20:03

Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 20:03
4x4 Australia have just done this trip maybe next issue or talk to Brad at outback 4wd he was on the trip.
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Reply By: Richard - Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 20:18

Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 20:18
This section of the site might help:-
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I got 15L/100K doing the Simpson in June/July from Dalhousie to Birdsville in a Landcruiser TD100.
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Reply By: snailbate - Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 20:52

Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 20:52
hi all
I USED 88 ltr to cross the simpson from the Pink Road house and we used some of the madigen line we had a full truck with a roof top tent and 60 liters of water
plus food
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 21:52

Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 21:52
Which bit of the Madigan Line ??

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Reply By: Joe - Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 21:07

Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 21:07
Hi,
Just returned from crossing the North Simpson Desert... Hay River ...cross country...in my heavily loaded 120 Prado Petrol V6....achieved 23.5lt per 100 on this section.
Cheers joe
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 02:53

Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 02:53
Hi Joe,
You'll do worse on the offroad section of the Madigan Line. My Prado TD got about 25 l/100k on the offroad section of the Madigan Line, and was the most economical vehicle in our group.

Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Joe - Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 12:04

Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 12:04
Hi Phil,
We went via Madigan's camp 14, 15, 16. Then we kept heading north and we drove the sandy Hay River bead for a couple of days,mainly in high range so fuel consumption was reasonable over 700-800km from Birdsville, Lake Caraline to Jervios.

The spinafex sections were slow and one section only overed 3.6km in one hour.

Travelling land that has no track in front of you sure is an experience, and doing slaloms through the majestic white ghost gums in the river bed was just awesome...no previous tracks ahead...others who have done this part of desert have travelled the upper river banks.
cheers joe
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Follow Up By: at4x4 - Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 13:10

Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 13:10
G'Day Phil, And Joe,
Joe was on my Hay river trip, and we headed out to camp 14, then cross countried back to the hay river track from there, for those who might of been considering the madigan line in the group in the future, so they could understand what they get to do for a whole week ;-)

[Big tyres made for much easier going on spinifex too]
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 14:14

Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 14:14
Hi Joe and Daz,

I did a write up of our Hay River trip for "4wheelingSA", which should be available next week. We had a great time on that trip - I think I may have suggested the jaunt out to camp 14 to get a taste of it all. Our group did that - you would have followed our tracks out there. And to see water out Lake Caroline way was magic.

Thats a relatively easy part of the Madigan Line, as the track is reasonably well formed. The more interesting stuff is going across country from the Twins (near camp 2) to the Colson Track as theres a lot of vegetation through the bed of the Hale, and was the place where most tyres got staked. Then it's average for a while but gets a bit rougher as you approach camps 12 and 13.

I find the 79series rolls over that sort of stuff better than the 90series Prado, mainly because the wheelbase is longer, and it probably lifts wheels less often.

Also Lindsay told us that they were looking to make a few more tracks out there for people like us to see a bit more of the country, which is encouraging.

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Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 14:17

Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 14:17
Joe,
Also, David Owen suggests 400 litres for a 6 cyl petrol vehicle, although I expect your V6 Prado would be a fair bit more economical than a petrol 80/100/Patrol.

Cheers
phil
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Follow Up By: at4x4 - Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 15:02

Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 15:02
G'Day Phil,
there was a track to camp 14, but we did head north east making our own track back to the HAy river track, re enteering just before the aboriginal midden.

We also made our own track from the hay river bed out to the northern end of Lake Caroline.

Got some great sunset/sunup pics of the lake, we camped at the southern end, with a water view while we were there.
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Follow Up By: Joe - Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 18:37

Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 18:37
Hi Phil,
I used 190 lt in total....Birdsville-Poeppell' s Well-Lake Caroline-Jervios.
That included a short day drive round Batton Hill also with Linsday Bookie, the tradtional owner.
As we were driving often between the dunes and then the river bed it was easy on the throttle....however I did carry 92lt in marine cans on the roof rack...and as we did not take any wrong turns I had fuel to spare.
Will look forward to your upcoming write up.

Darren with his 37" swampers took some interesting lines, and even though I have slightly bigger tyres on than stock(265/75/16)... he set up some challenges....particularly where he got ahead of us all and out of sight....and then backed tracked, driving DOWN a very difficult section to make it look like he drove up it!
cheers joe
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 23:03

Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 23:03
Hi Joe,

None of our group had petrol vehicles, but diesel usage from Jervois to Mungarannie (about 880km from memory) was between 115 and 140 litres. Interestingly, both the 115 and 140 were 90series Prado TDs. The thirst one was a heavily laden auto TX, while the economical one was a lightly laden manual GXL. All the 6 cyl LandCruisers got figures between these.

I reckon you were trying hard to catch up to Daz :-))), but plowing thru the sandy river bed would have upped your consumption.

Cheers
phil
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Follow Up By: at4x4 - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 07:41

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 07:41
He wasnt trying to catch up, but I did have to go down to 15 psi, so I could use 3rd high, the sand was making harder work of it, but it beat driving 2 wheel traks 100m away IMHO.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 21:49

Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 21:49
Figures for the conventional Simpson Crossing bear no relationship to what you'll use on the Madigan Line. The French Line is a walk in the park by comparison.

The going is much slower as you spend the best part of a week in low range crawling over Spinfex. Its a hard trip on passengers and vehicles, and unlike other trips, once you cross the Colson Track, theres no turning back.

I did it with a group last year. Fuel figures for Alice Springs to Birdsville were:
90series Prado TD: 180 litres
80series 1Hz: 215 litres
75series troopie 1Hz: 220 litres
100series TD and aftermarket TDs were about 240 litres.

David Owen (www.outbackadventures.com.au) knows more about the Madigan Line than anyone else I know. He runs the odd trip and has doe the Madigan Line at least 8 times. He suggests carrying 300 litres for a 6 cyl diesel. As far as I know, they are the only company regularly doing the Madigan Line.

Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 22:02

Friday, Sep 02, 2005 at 22:02
Just to add, I did a writeup on the Madigan Line in "4wheelinSA" which can be downloaded from their website
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 08:51

Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 08:51
Hi Phil

Isn't it interesting that some posters here have no idea what we are talking about...lol
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 14:04

Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 14:04
Hi Willem,

Yeah, most people think the Madigan Line is just an alternative way across the Simpson, but its one of the few real adventures left out there. Pretty much everyone I know who's done it says they'll never do it again :-)) 8 days of spinifex knocks the the smitherines out of them.

I enjoyed it - and with a bit of luck will do it again in a year or two.

Its really one of those trips where "travelling light" is what matters the most.

Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 18:30

Saturday, Sep 03, 2005 at 18:30
Hi Phil,

Yes I have said that I would not do many trips again but still ended up going there a second or third time.

Next year I hope to get out to where I placed a plaque in the Simpson in 1987. This will be a test of whether our sectant readings were accurate as GPS's were then the size of a suitcase and impossible to buy.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Thomas&Gabriela - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 20:28

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 20:28
Thanks a lot for all the feedback, especially to Phil re David Owen (outback adventures). Will also follow up the story in "4wheelinSA". Probably take about 320 l of diesel, just to be on the safe side. Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 20:43

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 20:43
Thomas

Sounds excessive fuel but as you say, better to be on safe side.

I used 195lts(out of max 200) unleaded from Jervois Stn to the French Line and ultimately Birdsville on our 1987 trip. That was cutting it fine!!

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 21:41

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 21:41
Thomas and Gabriela,

Just a couple of other things.

Don't take the trip lightly - you need a strong, well serviced vehicle, good tyres, suspension spares, and don't overload it (sounds impossible eh).
Take your time - if you hurry, you will break stuff.
Travel with others - I would never contemplate this trip solo.
No one will come to your assistance out there - you must be totally self sufficient.
Travel from the West - almost no one has come from the east, as the dunes are steeper and in the spinifex, theres often no chance of a run up.

Theres only been about 400 people who ahve done this trip - and usually only half a dozen groups per year.

Its great country - enjoy it.

Cheers
phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 21:42

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 21:42
And when are you planning to do it?
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Reply By: snailbate - Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 20:43

Tuesday, Sep 06, 2005 at 20:43
we did a little of the madigan but we just tured the corner
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Reply By: phil hod - Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 18:57

Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 18:57
thomas and gabriela, we are also looking at the madigan line next year by motorcycle and while we are right for fuel, we think water could be a problem, is there any chance of teaming up?
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Reply By: Member - Tom M (VIC) - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 20:24

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2005 at 20:24
The fuel required depends on the route.

If you do the full Madigan following all the tracks (which means permits or taking a chance) then it is about 800km-850km wheel distance (depending on conditions).

I recorded 824km and used 193.4 lts from Mt Dare to Birdsville. Add 100km if you do the commercial route = Up Colson, Camp 6 , Down to French at end.

Fuel usage will surprise you. I have a 1989 Nissan Turbo Diesel. There was a new 3lt turbo diesel Hilux and a 2002 turbo diesel Cruiser. I had the best fuel consumption of all (and my engine is stuffed) and it was still bad in very good conditions.

I would not recommend:

(1) an IFS vehicle. The Hilux spent so much time with a wheel in the air we joked it was to save tyre war. The IFS Cruiser was better ... a bit.
(2) Mud tyres. I brought up the rear. Every time (and it was often) the other vehicles got hung up there was a rooster tail of sand as their big mud tyres dug in.
We were lucky in that the sand was so firm due to prior rain or we would have been in real trouble.
(3) Over weighting the vehicles. A group went through a day before us with terrific equipment. Double rear tyre holders, etc. Trouble is all the weight was in the rear and we saw what they did to the tops of the dunes. Again, if it had been drier they would have struggled.

I recommend:

(1) A tray back vehicle to carry the fuel. We and another group did that and were much lighter.
(2) Light weight and good weight distribution.I move my cargo barrier behind the driver seat and have my second tyre strapped there. Put my water (soft 10 kltr containers) there as well to get my weight over the axle.
(3) Time and plenty of breaks. We did the whole trip from Melbourne and back in 2 weeks. It was a blur of exhaustion for me. Easier for the others as they had 2 drivers in each vehicle.
(3) Good suspension. The Hilux (with the fuel) had air bags (great) but original shocks .. with poor rebound dampening. Nearly lost their load a few times across the spiniphex.
(4) No IFS. You can get through but you will depend on non-IFS vehicles to pull you out. In the spinaphex you will waggle front wheels. Without diff locks....
(5) Planning, planning planning. Don't hope for the best, plan altenatives. One group ahead of us had a vehicle that broke a spring shackle, they fixed it .. can you (we couldn't if it had happend to us)?
(6) More vehicles. We has 3 vehicles, that was not enough. Optimum is 5.

Good luck and enjoy.
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