Info on Electronic Rust Proventer

Hi threre every one
A quick question has anyone used or is using the electronic rust provention system on there 4x4 as i have to rust proof the new gxl landcruiser soon and was interested in this unit but not sure if it does what the retailers say it does.
The cruiser will be doing a bit of beach work as well as bush so this unit sounds like the bees knees but i would like to find out some info first off other 4x4ers first.
Cheers.
Ken
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Reply By: simple - Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 12:03

Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 12:03
duck for cover here come the know it alls! see some of the other posts on here, there's been quite a bit of discussion.
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Follow Up By: govo - Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 21:38

Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 21:38
Simple..I will not claim to be a know it all...but i do know the evidence when i see it.......two friends i know that had it fitted to thier vechiles and of the two only one said it worked, the other bloke admitted that the system was not fitted correctly. I have had E R P fitted to my 4wd's for over a decade and i KNOW it works.
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Follow Up By: simple - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 19:09

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 19:09
sorry govo, my comment was actually aimed at the people who say it won't ever work, the people that are so happy to shoot you down in flames because of their proclaimed expertise in this area.
i'm actually considering one for my vehicle.
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Follow Up By: govo - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 19:56

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 19:56
My apologies Simple
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Reply By: Member - toohey - Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 12:04

Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 12:04
gid'ay cruiser man
i've got the counterac sytem on mine,also did a job on every thing else(inner doors,,chasis rails, gaurds etc. with valvoline tectyle with pressure gun.alot of people say eletronic system is bull###t,in my opinion if it does some good thats fair enough.
regards toohey
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 12:43

Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 12:43
The head Honcho of the 'Pink creature comfort Nissan Mafia', the one and only Member Roachie has one (along with one of everything else I might add).

Either Post him or Member message him re same and I have no doubts what so ever that he will be forth coming in elucidating his thoughts on the said piece of technoilogy.

Just a pity he won't do same regatding his 1c blue light things that apparently make his rig 'glow'.

Still can't work out whether its the1c globe that 'glows' or the wiring loom or the whole thing as it caught fire.

Just be beware, because his standard of answering a question leaves many a politician wishing they had attended Roachies 'school of answering' (which he dux'd).
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 23:26

Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 23:26
Thank you for that glowing introduction Mr Lucy (he wanted to call himselfl "Lucky", but stuffed up....he can't spell anything bigger than a four letter word..hahaha). Why does he class himself as "Lucky"?....cos most days (aw well 2 out of every 4 anyway), his yota will start after about only half an hour of cranking (aka "winding up the rubber band").

Anyway, in answer to the question at hand......Yes I have the Counteract system fitted. I did it myself with one coupler pad on the GU's firewall and the other inside the rear quarter panel. As to whether it works or not? all I can say is that the vehicle is 5 years old, has done a relatively small amount of beach work, does not get washed anywhere near as often as it should be (about 3 times a year) and I have not seen any sign of any rust in it to date.

Hope this helps.....(Nothing will help Mr Lucky(;-))

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 00:31

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 00:31
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeasy!

I can feel an Anzac Bickie trip comming on.
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Reply By: theshadows - Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 15:44

Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 15:44
the jury is still out on this product but what is the consenious is it wont harm your vechile and it might even help agains corrision.

The idea is a one developed arpund WW1 to protect large ships from corrision instead of using annodes. Till this day is is used on large ships and constructions that require annodes for protection against galvanised corrosion.

Enter the little black boxes in cars in the late 50's and they still sell them today. The fact is there isnt enough research done on them to prove that they work. The standard thought is no they wont because the car box is surposed to do a different job to the ones on the ships.

There is some speculation that they might even speed up the event of rust with the added amount of current in the body and disimilar metals and the galvanatic reaction.

It is your money just be warey of claims that it will reduce your fuel comsuption and makeing all the electrons flow in the same way around the body and makeing your car run smoother...... thats what hi-clones are used for.

shadow

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Reply By: govo - Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 16:43

Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 16:43
Ken..l have the ERP fitted to my nissan but a mate of mine went to fit the same system to his 80 series cruiser and was told that he did not need it as all the cruiser's were hot dipped gal and if he did fit it he could lose the warrenty..best to check with toyota before you do..as for the system itself i have no complaints..had it fitted to a 89 maverick for 11 years and even after 8 trips to frazier island even the stone chips on the tow bar were not rusty...changed it over to the 02 nissan ,just had to buy some new pads and so far its been working fine...i have a small piece of flat steel about 1 " long that i spot welded to the chassis at the rear of the vechile..just bare metal exposed to the elements and no sign of rust yet.
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Reply By: Member - Marquis - Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 18:02

Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 18:02
Lanotec - spray underside of your vehicle once a year...
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Reply By: Member - Poppy (QLD) - Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 19:06

Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 19:06
Hi Cruiser man
I fitted E.R.P.S to my 2002 Patrol when it was new and no sign anywhere of rust.
Apart from that, all I can say is, so far so good.
Cheers Poppy
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Reply By: Brew69(SA) - Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 20:56

Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 20:56
Ok here we go..............each time people post about these things i give an update on my tiger deterrer i have in the back yard...................Still working a treat as none to report.
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Follow Up By: govo - Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 21:31

Sunday, Sep 04, 2005 at 21:31
Ok Brewman you lost me....could you explain....or are you trying to say that E.R.P is a load of bull.
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Follow Up By: Member - John C (QLD) - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 08:54

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 08:54
I agree with Brew69

Used to have a goanna come through the back yard. Put in a goanna repellent and havn't seen one yet.
But didn't put a a bush turkey repeller in the front yard and one is trying to build a nest there now. Luckily my rake is bigger than his feet.

I suppose if you don't try you don't know, and if you do try and it doesn't happen, is it the result of the repeller, or something else?

I am staying non comittal like brew69, knowing that this issue will not change the world for ever!
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 15:40

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 15:40
Lets just say the jury is out. My GQ is 16 years old and no rust.......and no E.R.P. If i had one fitted i could claim it was the bees knees :)))
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Reply By: kiss'n'dirt - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 04:06

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 04:06
I have ERPS on my GU. I how ever do have 10 pads on it. 2 on chassis opposite corners, 6 on the body 2 at front 2 in middle 2 at rear, 1 on the rear door and 1 on steel bullbar.

just remember it fires out -ve charge.

1. If there is rubber or other insulation in the way, metal beyond it is not protected.
2. It only works on areas that are covered by paint or some sort as that's how the
-ve ions travel.

I do fraser quite often and it's been fantastic. I use to be old school and a spray on person. i was going to spray my vehicle after ERPS was fitted.

It's been sometime now. I don't think i'll ever use spray again. I also found my paint is in much better condition as it's always in the sun.

If you want to see my truck, go to 4WD monthly forum and the post title is My TI PAtrol. should be around the first 4-5 pages.

I've also givien a full explanation on how ERPS work in another post over there if you're interested.

I had my doubts as i had several collegues who are chemist and science heads look it over. They verified it will work. They're sh*tty they hadn't thought of it.

have a look at my truck. It's proof that it works. Considering i'm entering the show'n'shine at the next 4x4 expo up at cruiser park.
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Follow Up By: chump_boy - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 09:02

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 09:02
I'll admit straight up I am a skeptic. I prefer my spray on, thorough wash exercises. I have a 7 year old 105 series, with no rust what-so-ever....

Having said that, little statements like "It only works on areas that are covered by paint or some sort as that's how the -ve ions travel" don't help the cause much.

As I see it, metal covered by paint is protected already. I would want metal not covered by paint to be protected before I were to buy one of these gizmos. You know, things like welds, scratches.......

I seem to recall the Lutec site having that clause about only metal covered by paint is protected.
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Reply By: ev700 - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 10:34

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 10:34
Hi V8 Landcruiserman

Have a look at:

http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Car/car-electronic-rust.htm

Copy and paste into your address window.
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Follow Up By: Fusion - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 10:53

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 10:53
Hi Guys,

I'm not an expert by any definition, but Cathodic Protection is not what the ERPS and equivalents are offering. Cathodic Protection uses a sacrificial anode I believe which means it only works in water, not the same as Capacitive Coupling.

I've used the systems for a few years and am happy with them, but I'd still like to see someone like Myth Busters do a number on them :)

Thanks,

Aaron.
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Follow Up By: ev700 - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 11:19

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 11:19
Aaron
Thanks for pointing out the difference.

Do you know where any objective evidence can be found because if the devices work, it is difficult to find any documentation on the web to that effect. All I can find is stuff from sellers with testimonials.

EV700
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Follow Up By: Fusion - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 16:01

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 16:01
Hi Evey,

I don't have any hard data I'm afraid. I don't know that it exists beyond testimonials.

Sorry,

Aaron.
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Reply By: MATT.D(WA) - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 17:15

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 17:15
I am a firm believer that they work. We had delivery vans up north that went on to the salt mines three times a day 6 days a week. No ERPS fitted to the first van and everything that went wrong with it was rust related. eg: Starter motors, exhausts, the whole vehicle. Sold it after 18months and it was stuffed. Bought a new van same make and model and had it fitted with ERPS. After 2 years no sign of rust on the body or on any engine components. Was enough to convince me that they work fine.

Regards
Matt
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Reply By: datto311 - Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 19:53

Monday, Sep 05, 2005 at 19:53
I'm also a believer that they work. Basic science is to observe and then to try and understand the results, not roll out a flat earth theory that it can't possibly work. I've had one on a patrol for 4 years - rust - been on the beach regularly.
If you get one make sure you follow the warranty because as long as you give them $25 per year to inspect they will pay for any perforation rust
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