dual battery installation

Submitted: Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 15:37
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I have an dual fuel GQ Patrol and have no space under the bonnet for a dual battery installation. The option that I prefer is to mount an AGM battery inside the vehicle, either modifying my storage _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx or fitting underneath the front seats. I remove the rears seats during long trips. I have read all the posts (I think!) and would like some advice on installing the AGM without a solenoid.

What I propose is to mount in parallel and isolate the deep cycle manually via a switch on the dash. This way I could pull up, isolate the starter battery from the dual battery and turn off the ignition. When leaving start the car, switch the batteries back to parallel to charge the AGM and depart. The questions I have specifically are:

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Reply By: marcgq - Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 15:38

Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 15:38
Sorry bout that:

questions are:

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Follow Up By: marcgq - Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 15:42

Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 15:42
for some reason I'm submitting whilst trying to post. Here goes:

is this practical

how hot do the AGM get when recharging, don't want to fry my bum

is there a simple wiring diagram available to show the best way to connect using this setup - ie connect to alternator or starter battery

Thanks in advance.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 15:43

Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 15:43
What extra gear do you have under the bonnet? Numerous people fit them under there wth showers, etc in their trucks. you have to move crap round, but it can be done.
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Follow Up By: marcgq - Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 15:48

Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 15:48
Only the LPG installation and the EFI components. The LPG converter takes the space where the dual battery would usually go. I can take a digital picture tonight if it helps with suggestion to put it under the bonnet but with the plenum chamber, air filter and LPG I find it difficult to get my hand in to change a fan belt. I dropped the gearbox out recently and I have never used so many extensions to get to bolts.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 17:46

Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 17:46
Get the Gas people to move the converter to the drivers side, I got that done on my GQ and then you can fit the extra battery on the passenger side up near the firewall with a bit of moving. easier than a batt int he back
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Reply By: Brew69(SA) - Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 17:27

Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 17:27
Hi mate. I have a dual battery set up in my GQ dual fuel. Yes the converter sits where the second battery would like to be. Choices are as follows.............go to an lpg place and get them to move the converter.(preferred option and surely better than a battery in the car) Or do what the guy i got my car from did,and thats put a smaller 55amp d/cycle right up against the firewall on the passenger side.There is enough room for this just. I can email a pic to u if u want. I had this battery isolated but now run it parallel with the cranker so fridge running time is extended. Fridge cuts out before i can't start and if for some reason i can't start then i have my jump start pack.
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Follow Up By: marcgq - Friday, Sep 09, 2005 at 09:09

Friday, Sep 09, 2005 at 09:09
Mate,

Is your GQ an EFI model? I'll take a picture of mine tonight. Still not sure if it is worth taking to the gas guys to move the converter, there ain't a lot of room.

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Sep 09, 2005 at 09:26

Friday, Sep 09, 2005 at 09:26
Still not sure if it is worth taking to the gas guys to move the converter, there ain't a lot of room

if you want a dual battery there it is.
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 20:02

Thursday, Sep 08, 2005 at 20:02
G'day Marc,
The others have answered the original question satisfactorily I guess; but nobody has answered your Q about how to wire it up.

Now, unless you intend to use one of those HUGE red key-type switches to turn the aux battery on/off, you are going to have to use a solenoid of some sort. You don't have to go for the bells & whistles electronic types that ensure the main battery is fully topped up after starting before it switches over to charge the 2nd battery.

Instead, why not use the system I use. It comprises a simple solenoid which I decide when it should be switched on or off (same as what you propose). The main difference is that the switch I use is a simple (small) on/off switch that turns the solenoid on or off. If you do end up deciding to locate the battery under the seat or elsewhere in the cabin area, you are going to have to be very careful about how you route the heavy cabling to/from the solenoid and main battery. Especially at the point/s where the cable will pass though the firewall (or up through the floor pan if that is how you decide). You are going to have very high levels of amps going through that "+" cable and any shorts will more than likely end up in a fire.

Cheers

Roachie
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Follow Up By: marcgq - Friday, Sep 09, 2005 at 09:27

Friday, Sep 09, 2005 at 09:27
Roachie,

Thanks for that info. I'll use a solenoid. Do you hook up the + from the alternator or the starter battery? If I can fit a wet plate under the bonnet I will but I think I'll end up with one or two AGM in the vehicle. Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Gajm (VIC) - Friday, Sep 09, 2005 at 09:50

Friday, Sep 09, 2005 at 09:50
I think I have the same system as Roachie, with a jaycar battery meter to monitor things. I have just replaced my deep cycles (1 in camper) with Full river AGM batteries, and we haven't been away yet, but the tests I have done look good, they are lasting a lot longer than my deep cycles ever did. Fullriver NGL 90, $235.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 09:39

Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 09:39
Marc,
In my case the + is off the start battery and that works okay for me.
I should a cautionary note too.......It seems these old fashioned solenoids are very reliable (at least for several years), but they do offer a slight voltage drop of about 0.1volt across them. I don't find that to be an issue of any consequence.
Cheers
Roachie
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Reply By: Ferret - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 16:42

Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 16:42
Right, I've got a 95EFI duel fuel, 2 N70zzs opposite each other, home made ARB type second batt tray and a modified air cleaner. Move your coil a bit and slightly bend your air con pipes and will all go in...a bit tight but it will go
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Reply By: Jimbo - Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 17:00

Monday, Sep 12, 2005 at 17:00
I answer to your original question.

I believe a manual switch would be fine. But if you're going to the trouble of running the cabling back, why not fit a Redarc or similar?

AGM Batteries do not get hot whilst charging. They apparently don't like to be in a hot environment such as in an engine bay, not sure if this is myth.

If you call the bloke at Federal Batteries in Sydney on his 13.... number, he will be able to give you the good oil.

The other advantage of it in the car if, if you hook it to the cable via an Anderson plug, you have a portable power supply.

Cheers,

Jim.
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