Stakeproof tubeles tyres

Submitted: Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 20:13
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Do they exist?

Looking to do severe offroad excursion.

Could go back to Nissan splits and run rags but that seems too extreme

Current Cooper STT's(old style) may not be up to scratch for the job.

Have spoken to my tyre person but have not got the right answers.

Can anyone shed some light???
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Reply By: Member - Ian B - Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 20:17

Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 20:17
Yes, they are made in India.

I got a letter from Connie yesterday, she's back. I'll ask her where her & Mick got them from.

Ian
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 20:31

Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 20:31
Thanks Ian

I know that there are MRF tyres but I think they make them only for skinny rims.

You can let me know via email
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 20:59

Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 20:59
MRF are made in india I have only seen them in 7.5x16. They are specifically for tubes but I have seen 12 plysuper traction on one piece tubeless. They also make a 16 ply superlug, Both these tyres are nylon construction and seem to be gaining in popularity amongst the contractors vehicles at work
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 13:54

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 13:54
THanks Davoe, I will chase them up. A mate in the Flinders Ranges runs MRF's and is all praise for them. They are 7.50x16 on a Hilux.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 15:49

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 15:49
They do seem pretty good but it doesnt ound what you are after they are a rag skinny probably best suited to splitties due to their stiff sidewalls
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 20:29

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 20:29
Ian

I have gone into Connie Beadells website and have had a look at their suggestions re stakeproof tyres

Cheers
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Reply By: Eric Experience. - Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 21:48

Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 21:48
Willem.
Michelin make a range of military style tyres in tubeless, they are not cheap but they are very tough with steel side walls. From memory they are about $400 each. you only have to buy 4 so that saves a bit.
Eric.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 13:51

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 13:51
Yep I have heard of them. I think that a number of trucks on the Paris/Dakar were shod with them this year.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 23:47

Saturday, Sep 10, 2005 at 23:47
Hi Willem,

Sell your Coopers while they are still worth something, then put it towards a set of 265/75 Goodyear MTRs. Mtrs have an extra layer in the sidewall.

Cheers
phil
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 13:50

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 13:50
I am afraid that my Coopers are unsaleable. They are pretty scuffed along the sidewalls and have numerous chips and cuts in them. Still have plenty of tread though. I would keep them till they run out. They performed pretty well in the rough stuff and did not let me down. Have had 3 punctures in town in 3 months...all nails picked up somewhere.

I was thinking along the lines of a second set. I do have a spare set of alloy rims so instead of going hunting for Nissan split rims I can use those for daily driver activities and some mild offroading.

Have heard very good reports locally and elsewhere of MTR's and one bad report.

In the end I suppose it is a compromise as you are never going to get the absolute tyre for your travels
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 20:30

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 20:30
Hi Willem,

Pity your Coopers are unsaleable after such a short time.

2 out of 7 vehicles had MTRs on the Madigan Line last year, and neither had a puncture. The other vehicles had BFG ATKO, Bridgestones and Mickey Thompson, and between them had about a dozen staked sidewalls.

My current set of 4 MTRs have done 35k over two years, including the Anne Beadell Hwy three times, the Madigan Line, Hay River, French Line, 10 Flinders trips and two High Country Trips, plus a bunch of club weekends - not a problem or a puncture yet.

Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 20:49

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 20:49
Hi Phil

I am looking at a few trips into some mulga and turpentine country. I am leaning towards getting a set of splits again and fitting MRF 14ply to them after gathering some advice from Connie Beadell's website

I have been lucky with the Coopers as I have only been on tracks, albeit some of them were pretty ordinary. I did one short off track excursion and looked carefully where I placed the wheels.The Coopers have done 20,000km.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 21:34

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 21:34
Wasnt going to suggest it because i have copped flack for it here and you seemed to be leaning a different way but the facts are companys that do off track bushwork use crossply tyres and split rims. I have found this combination truly awesome asnd have previosly posted as much. Funny thing was at times it seemed you could run over anything and then others you might pick up a stake in fairly easy conditions. good thing about them is it is rare to actually stuff a tyre as they dont rip and tear like radials. Splitties get bad press on the forum but I suspect it is because they dont get used like they should which is for running stiff walled crossply tyres which would be most difficult to fit to one piece rims especially outside a workshop. There would seem to be little advantage in running radials on splitrims.
Having said all that my supertraction tyres on splitties only have another few trips in them as they are bald and I am left with what to do. I have no confidence in my Toyo Opats and am plabnning a trip through the Murchison/North west next year. I would like to replace them with Goodyear MTR as I have heard alot of good things about them (around 1200 dollars Kal prices) which wont leave much budget for rubber on the splitties which I would still like to keep for bush trips close to home - Might see if I can get some 2nd hand crossplies for this

Are you looking at heading through Kalgoorlie again this time?
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Follow Up By: Joe - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 21:49

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 21:49
Hi Phil,
I'm with you on the MTR's....I took mine off to run a sponsors set of tyres on our Hay River trip and up the Tanimi..... staked 2 tyres.

Your experience on those various tracks provide excellent feed back. I'm very happy with the MTR"s and plan to stick with them.
cheers
joe

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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 23:05

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 23:05
Davoe,

You don't cop flack here. Like the rest of us you tell us your experience and I for one respect your opinion. I have no doubt a 14 PR tyre will resist staking very well. But for what I do, and what most peope on the forum do, it may not be the best compromise.

Unfortunately, most of us have to drive on the bitumen to reach the desert, and most of us use those same tyres around town, on the freeway etc. So when someone comes up with a tyre or tyres that are a better compromise - ie they go well and give good mileage on the bitumen and resist staking in the bush, those tyres become popular.

I've had many years experience with split rims, running many tyres and I would not risk them running on bitumen on a hot day at the speed limit. The tyres are fine, but the tubes are usually not.

I normally run 2 sets of tyres - muddies for the bush and ATs for everything else. With the MTRs on the 79series, I'm happy with just the one set.

Unfortunately, its unlikely we'll be going thru Kal this time. We're doing the Anne Beadell, then Connie Sue, then various bits of the Gunbarrel and Hunt oil Rd, down to Laverton, then east to Lake Rason, Plumridge Lakes, Cocklebiddy and home. Only have 3 weeks away, so we'll see how much gets covered. We'll have 3 white 79series TD farm trucks all with GSV canopies - pretty boring when all the vehicles look the same :-))

Cheers
Phil
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Reply By: PandJ - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 10:09

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 10:09
Hi Willem,

Just a joke and a suggestion, I maybe able to get some from the railways for you, guaranteed not puncher or go flat.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 13:53

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 13:53
Hi Paul

I suppose I will be restricted to rail travel only? lol
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Reply By: PandJ - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 10:10

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 10:10
Hi Willem,

Just a joke and a suggestion, I maybe able to get some from the railways for you, guaranteed not puncher or go flat.

C U P&J.
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Follow Up By: PandJ - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 10:20

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 10:20
Sorry 4 double reply, Bl..dy computer !
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 10:47

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 10:47
if only the computer could talk...it would rtell us the truth

garbage in = garbage out....meaning operator error was the cause!
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Reply By: Member - Ray - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 11:03

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 11:03
The thing about computers is, like certain members of society they are only as good as the information you punch into them.
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Reply By: Sarg - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 17:07

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 17:07
I worked for a mining contracting co. that used these Rhoden tyres. Had an exellent run out of them, but seemed to get very hot on sealed roads anything much over 80-90kph. Bullet proof as to punctures tho.

www.indiantyretube.com/chinese/rhoden-main.htm
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 19:56

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 19:56
THanks mate. Have heard of them. Will go have a peek
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 21:50

Sunday, Sep 11, 2005 at 21:50
Get some Simex or Interco's..

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