Waeco Fridge

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Hi

I have been offered a Waeco CF-80 at a good price. Was concerned to note that it _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx 2.9amps/hr compared to a 40 ltr 0.87amps/hr

Given I know little about electrics was wondering if this would cause problems with a standard ARB dual battery setup. Seems to be a big difference

Rgds, David
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Reply By: Member - Toonfish - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 10:36

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 10:36
trust me the 40 litre _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx nearly 3 amps .\
and thats 2.9 amps not forgeting the duty cycle not constant.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 11:08

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 11:08
Gotta agree...........there is NO WAY that a 40 litre fridge from any manufacturer is gunna use as little as .87a/h..........that's less than a flouro light (claimed 1 a/h)!!! Without starting the old argument of "mine's better than yours", the Engel is generally accepted as being close to the most effecient fridge (power wise and without going eutectic), and even they only claim that their 40 litre frisge pulls 2.7a/h.

IMHO a Waeco 80 litre would draw over 4 a/h.

However, don't let that be your driving influence as to whether to buy this fridge or not. There are a lot of other variables you need to consider, other than just power draw.

What size battery is your aux?
What size alternator does your vehicle have?
How long will you be expecting the fridge to run for without either the motor running or some other form of charging to be performed on the battery (eg: solar panel or gennie etc)?
What climate do you intend to be using your fridge in?
How often are you gunna be opening the fridge each day?

The list just goes on and on.

If the fridge is a goodun and suits your needs (and assuming you can fit the big mutha in without leaving the rest of the family at home!!) just go for it.

Cheers

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Breadman - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 12:22

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 12:22
An evaKool 40 litre fridge at 20c ambient temperature with a 4c cabinet temperature will use 19.8 amps in a 24 hour period which is .8 amp hour
80 litre Waeco amps when running 5.5 amps average 24 hour 84 amps 3.5 per hour
Matters not what size alternator the vehicle has.
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 16:25

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 16:25
Disagree about the alternator comment mate. An 80 or 100amp alt will recharge the battery a lot quicker than say a 55amp. So if he is not doing a lot of driving each day he can top up the juice of the battery in shorter time. Where did u get the figures for the 80lt waeco from? I can get over 24hrs from my 70Lt waeco with a 55amp aux battery in the middle of summer with ambient 50 odd.(maintaing 2 deg max)
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Follow Up By: Muddy 'doe (SA) - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 18:24

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 18:24
I have 40 litre Weaco and find it _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx an average of 1 amp per hour in standard conditions running at 2 deg in fridge. Basically _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx near 3 amps when running but is only running 30% of time (so average of 1 amp per hour)

I found that a 24 AH Weco batt pack would comfortable run it overnight when stopped and be down to 30 or 40% charge.

I now have a 115 AH dual battery and have no trouble running it for a weekend with minimal driving.

Cheers
Muddy
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Reply By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 11:20

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 11:20
The ARB dual battery system will run it no worries, long as your battery is OK.

If it suits your needs and the price is right, go for it.
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Reply By: Breadman - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 11:46

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 11:46
A Waeco CF80 will use 84 amps a day at 30c with a cabinet temperature of 5C which is 1C above food safety standards. That is an average of 3.5 amps hour over 24 hours. Many people that buy these large portable fridges soon realise the massive amounts of space they take and power they use and soon want to downsize to a 40 litre.
Do you realise your auxiliary battery will not charge up in a days driving from powering an 80 litre fridge overnight.

As for the Engel Waeco argument there is no difference in overall power consumption in a 24 hour period. The best buy fridge at the moment is the $499 one from SuperCheap or Rays Wild Country that will match the price of $499
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Follow Up By: marcus - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 16:44

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 16:44
Yeah Breadman,
Was having a look at the 42 litre Rays wild country fridge on the week end as it is new on the market.I liked the size at 42l,the digital readout and adjustment ,whilst operating in the store was nice and cold and real cheap at $599.
On the bad side wild country is Rays own brand direct from China,fridge is 12v only,has no internal basket,warranty 12months but unproven over corrugated roads.
Would rather put the money towards a fridge that is proven to last.
cheers Mark
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 17:17

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 17:17
Ozi (Breadman??),

You're so damn predictable.

Everytime you come back here under another name and trot out the same stuff.

Farewell.
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 18:09

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 18:09
i was wondering if it was our friend again jimbo lol
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 18:32

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 18:32
BUT, he's not flogging the same EvaKool fridge now...
and everything he sells on his website is best, the rest is no good..

however when questioned he can't (won't) explain why it's better?
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 19:45

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 19:45
Simple Mainey,

He only recommends stuff he sells because that way he can make a quid.

Sorry to state the obvious :-)

He's a bad man.
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Follow Up By: Breadman - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 22:03

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 22:03
To uneducated and simple to understand "The best buy fridge at the moment is the $499 one from SuperCheap or Rays Wild Country that will match the price of $499" Did not say they were on anybodies website

Marcus the basket is a minus, but you can get one made quite cheaply from a wire works. They do stand up to corrugated roads and overall are a tough fridge. Look at the construction and assembly and you can see they are well put together.
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 22:25

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 22:25
Fair Dinkhum Ozi, are you that thick?

If you want to moonlight under one of your alias's stop using your worn out catchcries such as "uneducated".

You're so bloody predictable, and equally as stupid.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 22:48

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 22:48
LMAO
Do you guys get paid for this or just do it for fun.
Anyway, great entertainment on a boring night
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Follow Up By: gramps - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 22:58

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 22:58
They've obviously been swapping Xmas cards for years :)
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 12:14

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 12:14
Jimbo,

Simple Mainey,

He only recommends stuff he sells because that way he can make a quid.
yes, he recomends the PowerTech MP3129 Regulator on his web site over the MorningStar range of regulators....
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 12:50

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 12:50
Mainey,

I can only assume he's making more profit on the Power Tech as he used to shout the praises of Morningstar.

Still, what we know? We are the "uneducated" LOL.

Ray,

It's always a bit of fun when Ozi appears again. David usually gives him a bit of lattitude, until he gets completely out of control, then gives him the "Tijuana Brass" again. I've lost count of how many times and how many names: davidillion, farmer jones (retired), etc etc.
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Reply By: Utemad - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 12:34

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 12:34
I've got the Waeco 80L and I run it off my 2nd battery which is one of those N70 starting batteries. Never had any probs with it. As for how much it _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx that depends on an awful lot such as:
Temp in the fridge
Temp outside the fridge
How much is in the fridge
How often you open the fridge
How do you pack the fridge in the cargo area
What do you use to charge the battery
How often and long you run the car about

Sure the fridge takes a lot of space but the food has to go somewhere. So if you take everything with you and not buying it along the way as you need it then you either have it all in a big fridge or some of it in a little fridge and some of it in a box somewere.

I love it.
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Reply By: cruiser - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 13:57

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 13:57
I have a 70 Litre Waeco running on a second N70 battery fitted to my 80 series TD and can run it for 3 days without even starting the car. If necesary, I can assist the battery while stationary by using a solar panel (32 W BP panel).

I do not run the fridge of a night. I have built a 12V timer that has about 50 combinations of when it turns off and on, but generally set it to turn off at about 10PM each night and turn of each morning about 7AM.

I also have the Waeco dual temp thermometer and have noticed that the fridge is generally running at about 2 deg Celcuis when it turns off at 10PM and in the morning it has generally only risen to about 4 deg Celcuis by 7AM the next morning. (season depending)

When we have been on the move, we have run it for 4 weeks while spending some days in transport mode with it obviously running off the alternator and some days in R & R mode with it running straight off the second battery and honestly have not had a problem at all with it.

I have never had to top up the battery with a charger, so I assume that the alternator is good enough to recharge the battery and run the fridge whilst in transport mode.

The 70 Litre uses the same Danfross 50 compressor as the 80 Litre, so the extra 10 litres should make no real difference to the running of the fridge.

My advise is if the price is right, the fridge will fit in the car and you have a decent auxilary battery system, then go for it.

Hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: David - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 14:06

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 14:06
Thanks guys for your responses. Its a great help

Rgds, David
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Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 15:53

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 15:53
As a side note, it may be worth having a look at an AGM battery. They charge much quicker than a standard deep cycle and to a higher level of charge, also completely compatible with your DB system. You can also run them lower without diminishing battery life.

I have a 110L waeco and so far, so good. As the missus likes to take masses of fresh fruit & veg away for the kids, we require big fridge space and we accept the extra power requirements that go with... from my less than educated experience, over 30C ambient and the fridge at around 3C(using waeco dual temp thermometer), it used closer to 4.5 - 5Ah and under 30C ambient, about 3.5Ah. We are carefull to plan daily food needs, minimising the time the fridge is open during the day.
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Reply By: Jimbo - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 17:46

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 17:46
David,

I've just got back from 7 days away. I run a CF80 off an AGM aux batt like Blue. It was cold, overcast and raining most of the time. I only bothered to pull the solar panel out twice.

The rest of the time I just relied on a bit of driving, about 30 minutes a day and idling the motor a couple of times a day. The beauty of the AGM is that it will accept a lot of charge in a short time. I check mine with a volt meter to ensure it never gets below 12.1 volts. When it hits this I start the motor. An idling motor uses very little fuel.

In cold weather you will find the 80 uses bugger all power.

In the warmer weather my 64 watt Unisolar panel keeps up easily combined with the odd drive.

Cheers,

Jim.
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Follow Up By: David - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 10:18

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 10:18
Thank Jim and everyone else for the great replies

David
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Reply By: Member - Banjo The First (SA) - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 20:32

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 20:32
Ask a fridge question - like tossing fuel in a fire ! I'm with Roachie - if the price is right, and you can spare the space, give it a go ! I just bought a CF60AC a few days back - a tall 50 in fact. Will wait and see how mine goes - when the aux gets low, I have another battery in the camper. Whatever - I'll deal with it ! The 80 is a big bulky bugger - probably thirsty too. If you keep it, you'll probably end up with a gennie - if you traded it for a 50/60, you might still end up with a gennie ! I intend to top up my batteries from the car, as I move. I've been listening to all sorts of boolsheet from salespeople in the last two weeks - in one hour of research on the web, I ended up better technically informed about fridges and power than they were - quite pathetic.
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 21:22

Tuesday, Sep 13, 2005 at 21:22
If the price suits you ,buy it ,some say an 80lt is too big ,others say not big enough !! had our 80lt now for 3yrs ,, all the figures and stats say 3.5amp per hr average ,,,,I measure our amps in and out of our AGM batts thru a Steca solar regulator ,, in all our usage of freezer at -15 and fridge at 3c we use 64amps per 24 hr period =2.66 amps per hr ,,,, Just using a multi meter will not give a true indication of power usage per hr as it will show on/start 4.5 dropping to 3.5 running and .02 when fridge compressor is off ,,,,,Yes your ARB duals will run the show ,would suggest same as others have said that when up for new batt go AGM . a 1/2hr running the vehicle twice per day will supply enough amps for the fridge.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 20:33

Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 20:33
(QUOTE),,,,I measure our amps in and out of our AGM batts thru a STECA solar regulator (end quote)
then you would be as happy as I am with your Steca solar reg...

One of the best investments I've made recently, can sit and watch the LCD screen tell me everything I need to know, at any time.
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Reply By: Mainey (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 13:01

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 13:01
David,
please accept my own sincere apologies for my own part in the hijacking of your thread, I won't attempt to bulshet the reasons why it went off track but (I believe) it's an interesting thread for probably different reasons to those that you first initiated it, but it will give you some good information!
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 13:03

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 13:03
Yeah,

Me too, but I do think we have a responsibility to expose charlottens.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 13:26

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 13:26
Jim,

is it spelt; charlottens or charlotens ?

As I'm also a member of the "uneducated" clan, I can only sugest it would be much easier to use more politically correct terminology, but then Ummm, LOL

As I've been using solar systems for many years, well before he had his first one, I can't see why he needs 3 x 110wt panels to run a 50lt evakool fridge and a tv & a few lights, ... IF it's setup correctly, maybe that's a clue ? LOL

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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 13:44

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 13:44
Mainey,

As we've admitted, we're both uneducated.

I've had a butcher's at the dictionary.

It's actually charlatan.
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 19:45

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 19:45
jim,

the laughable part is he calls us "uneducated"

But …
you and I only need one (1) QUALITY solar panel to run our respective fridge's and lights.... and I will add here, we have both gone on record as running many and various tests and reporting their results on our respective solar panels performance statistics on the relevant forum.

He goes and sells 5 (five) 110w 'bargain' solar panels with (two) 2 x 180a/h batteries to a (newbie) forum member and it's then posted on the forum as a good thing :-(
550 watts of solar power, what could you possibly have that needs 550 watts ??

As uneducated as he claims I am, I'm glad I'm at least “intelligent” enough to know that it's way over the top, hell it's more than double my 160a/h DC battery system, and he has always referred to that as a 'power station' to run a fridge and lights etc.

I think it may have come home to bite him on the rc about now !!!
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 01:50

Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 01:50
fridges are VERY popular while engals are king when it comes to ease of selling and resale i doubt you would have much trouble selling a Waeco Oh sorry what am i trying to say? If it is a good price - buy it you should get all - most of your money back if you decide you dont like it and want to sell it
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 08:54

Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 08:54
Most? Well I suppose anything over 50% is most.

I bought a 39L Engel in 1999 for $1100, sold it in 2004 for $650. I was happy with that, but I do think this Engel reasle stuff is a bit overstated.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Saturday, Sep 17, 2005 at 03:26

Saturday, Sep 17, 2005 at 03:26
I think I assumed he meant 2nd hand from the way he wrote it but on 2nd thoughts I could be wrong. Of course you wont get all your money back if you bought new. But assuming your engal was in good nick I imagine it will be worth 5-600 2nd hand for quite a few years. How long did it take you to sell your fridge? - not long i am betting
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