Warranty nightmare advise

Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 21:09
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What is the longest someone has been without there vehicle because of warranty issue's. I have owned my car for three years(after buying it as a demo) and it has been in the hands of the factory dealers for about 8 months all up!
This latest time is coming up on 4months and I think I have been very patiant but need advise on how to get the factory to listen to me.
I live on a remote base and the wife has 40km's to travel to the shops. guess what she has not had a car and there is no public transport.
I was treated very well under the first three years of warranty, but the company now say's that the extended factory warranty is not there problem, I paid $2500. to the very same factory and was sold a full factory warranty( bad taste over this one).
Any advise to get a reasonable responce from the company

Free smile to the first person who can guess the company( like to see peoples answers, so wont acknowledge correct guess straight away
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Reply By: govo - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 21:27

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 21:27
Only one answer yffud...complain complain complain complain and do it 3 times a day.
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Reply By: Barnray - Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 22:41

Wednesday, Sep 14, 2005 at 22:41
About time to talk to Consumer Affairs, in fact just a bit overdue. If that don't help maybe Mr Toyota ( John Laws) might help. Barnray
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Reply By: joc45 - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 00:14

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 00:14
What a pity we don't have Lemon laws like in the US.
Gerry
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Follow Up By: yffud - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 22:08

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 22:08
Yeah why is that ???

We seem to cling to all the crap that america is into,,,,
but can take the lead on the few good things their weird society has.
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Saturday, Sep 17, 2005 at 17:55

Saturday, Sep 17, 2005 at 17:55
Well if we did have those laws, it would probably have forced the dealer/mfr to sort out your warranty claim in the form of a new vehicle if it was out of action for more than a certain time.
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Follow Up By: yffud - Saturday, Sep 17, 2005 at 21:12

Saturday, Sep 17, 2005 at 21:12
Sorry joc45,
I left an exclamation point out of my reply.

I meant
Yeah ! (as in I agree with you)

and
Why is that ???
(as in we are stupid to not have lemon laws in Aust)

Oops and Thanks
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Reply By: brian - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 05:45

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 05:45
I may be wrong but i believe the amount of time off the road for repairs gets added to the original warrenty..any comments?????????
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Follow Up By: chump_boy - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 08:04

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 08:04
I thought that was the case as well...
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Follow Up By: yffud - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 10:17

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 10:17
Can anyone confirm this, this would make my situation very easy to handle.
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Reply By: WDR - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 09:09

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 09:09
Are you saying the vehicle has been off the road for 4 continuous months because of a warranty problem and it has been under repair for that period ? or are they refusing to fix it under warranty and you have not been able to drive it while discussions re extended warranty have been taking place?
As a matter of interest what is wrong with it?
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Follow Up By: yffud - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 11:59

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 11:59
I have not had the car in my possesion for four months, I have had no car for my wife for four months.
The problem originally was the lock up convertor failed. The car itself gets no complaint from me, but the dealer mechanics have made some bewildering stuff ups. and cant understand why I am becoming distressed and the company just blow me off.
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Reply By: Leroy - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 09:31

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 09:31
Nissan having my GU for 3 weeks diagnosing a gearbox prob. looks pretty good now!!! lol

Go on and name the manufacturer and would like to know what's wrong with the vehicle also?

Leroy
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Reply By: stevesub - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 10:15

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 10:15
In the 2nd year of our warrenty with the Landrover Freelander, the dealer had it more than we did. Mind you most of the time we had a loaner - Just loved taking their NEW Disco loaner through mud holes and offroad in general. Had that one for nearly 2 months. Did some club trips in it. They wouldn't give us a Rangie as a loaner though, must have know where it would end up and they would not be wrong.

We found that the dealers did not have a clue as to the problems (mainly computer) we were having and we were the Guinea Pig for them.

Landrover must be the company.

Stevesub
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Follow Up By: yffud - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 12:10

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 12:10
My dealers are absolute muppetts.
From day one they have "seemed to try and help" but they just have no product appreciation, I honestly would not be surprised if they were not using mechanics. some of the mistakes would not be accepted from a first year appy,,, let alone from the FACTORY SPECIALIST DEALER!!!!!!!

I want to see peoples perception of car companies so I wont name the brand just yet
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Reply By: Member - Geoff M (Newcastle) - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 11:16

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 11:16
My vote is Mitsubishi, better built, better backed.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 11:29

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 11:29
Thats what I've heard too.

A few years back, I was without a Toyota for 10 weeks while they tried to blame me for their mechanic's mistake. I was told my a number of organisations that if I had a Mitsubishi, I would not have had a problem.

Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: hl - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 11:51

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 11:51
hmmm
I better ring up and apologize for hassling my dealer.
It took them only a 2 days short of 4 weeks replacing my gearbox in a GU patrol..

Cheers
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Follow Up By: hl - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 11:54

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 11:54
and, incidentally, talking to NRMA legal about warranty issues and delays, I got the impression that one has more consumer rights buying a toaster than with a 50k+ truck!

cheers
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Reply By: banjodog - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 14:24

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 14:24
Too true about the toaster – “vehicle warranty” is at the discretion of the dealer. You basically have to let the dealer do what they deem as a warranty fix and you have no say in it – even if that means fitting a working 2nd hand part and not a new one sometimes.

When you get the (say, a 3 year old) vehicle back from warranty work and it’s fixed but not a new part what’s the problem? – the dealer fixed it – but they take a gamble that the used part is OK – if not, they replace again.

So when you buy a toaster and it stops working you can normally get a new one straight away – you can’t do that with a vehicle no matter where it falls in the A to Z listing or how much you paid for it. Not a problem though – warranty will cover it ;-)

However, dealerships will vary from one to another even in the same city – all depends on how the dealer principle runs the show and who works for them.

It’s only a problem that warranty work won’t be done in the warranty period – the fact it’s taking longer to repair than you would like can’t be argued in court as the repairs are being done and not refused.

Have you been offered a loan car while they have your car? If not why not?

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Follow Up By: yffud - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 18:05

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 18:05
Thanks and i get where you are at.

No I have not been offered a loan car,,,, in fact a have been denied one when i asked for one...... and good question, why?

I see what you say about not being fixed as quick as I like..... But the company lists agreed times for each task covered for the dealers by warranty and there are established snail mail times in this country, so I believe there is an argument of unreasonable delay resulting in hardship.

PERHAPS
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Reply By: Doc - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 19:33

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 19:33
Mate - welcome to the world of Holden ownership, and I wouldn't be surprised if the dealer was in the city of Adelaide (well it sounds just like those pricks).

What do I win?
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Follow Up By: yffud - Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 21:58

Thursday, Sep 15, 2005 at 21:58
SSHHHH there are new laws ,You can be locked up,,,, or deported,,,, for daring to talk out about an all aussie icon like that. TIC

No you don't win,,,,

but in a sick kinda way,,, I feel better. that I was not so wrong to choice my brand. It seems there all the same hey.

I have only been to one dealer on the Sunshine coast that I could say has performed well. And one in adelaide that was bearable. There have been others in Cairns, townsville, Brisbane, and Darwin, they have all been shonksters in the fullest meaning of the word. They know they have you over a barrel, you go outside the dealer network the factory warranty threatens "out clauses for themselves".
So until the Warranty is finnished I dare not step outside, sure the mechanical aspects are fine outsidethe dealer network, but within the dreaded fine print they have good ammo with the diagnostics/computors, etc.
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Reply By: chump_boy - Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 06:50

Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 06:50
Not all dealers are bad. You just have to find a good one and stick to them.

When I had my Landrovers (S2 Disco, then a Defender), I took them to the dealership in Parramatta, Sydney. The 2 guys on the desk, and the manager, all drove Discos, and I would see them out at Lithgow all the time. They lived and breathed landrovers, and as such, actually knew about most of the problems I could throw at them. Even seemingly little things like, for example, when a defender is tilted forward or back at more than 30 degrees or so, the oil light comes on. I mentioned it, and the service guy explained where the sensor was, why it came on at 30 degrees, not to worry about it, and then we spoke for about half an hour about differnet tracks and things.

The trouble with most dealers is that 4WD's don't make up the majority of sales, so the service department are not used to them.

Chump
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Follow Up By: yffud - Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 07:33

Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 07:33
Yes chump I agree, and it is great when the service guys are there for the car, and more importantly know the car. ownership becomes a smooth and pleaureable thing.

I have found a good dealer on the sunshine coast, he drives and lives the car. But that is 3000 + km's away from my home and even further when i'm travelling which is what I do when I am not at work.
One dealer out of about seven across five states is frustrating.

Thanks
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 09:51

Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 09:51
www.notgoodenough.com.au

They would love this.

for christ sake, name the company, and dealer! let others know.

Get a lawyer involved, may cost a few $ but you will have your car soon.

BTW, whts the problem with the car?
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:04

Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:04
He's not allowed to say anything ......it's a secret!!

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:12

Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:12
I am lacking the secret handshake :(
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Follow Up By: yffud - Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:53

Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:53
I will go onto the Site you gave thanks.

I was just wanting to see what the general perception of what manufacturer could be so disconnected from there customer. you all guess LADA and I would probably steer clear of them in the future.

And you do have the handshake, you breathe air,,,,,,,,,,your in my club.

Anyway the coruptpany is Landrover, the vehicle is a discovery TD5, the company treated me with kit gloves for the first 4.5 month period off the road when it was 15months old and gave me a loaner for the entire period .
But they just wont hold there dealers accountable this is the same problem returned and they are just blowing me off, the vehicle is suffering at the hands of morons, it is not being maintained.

I f I touch this, I will void my warranty....Trucked if I do,,, trucked if I dont!
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Reply By: stevesub - Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 11:25

Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 11:25
Where is my smilie?? Think I was the first to guess the company.

We were so peeved with Landrover, we even talked to our solicitor a couple of years ago but he said he already had 3 Landrover cases going no-where so advised us to grin and bear it and save our dough for the repairs to come rather than gp to his bank account.

We now only visit a Landrover dealer if we really have to get work done at the local workshop and use non-Landrover bits if we can now the vehicle is out of warrenty.

No such problems with our Troopy and local Toyota dealer.

Stevesub
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Follow Up By: BenSpoon - Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 11:55

Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 11:55
The only fond memory I have of a Landrover was one parked on the verge of a tourist beach near perth with a plywood 2 x 2m sign spraypainted brightly with "Landrover: Lemon of the year" on it. The only blokes I have met who like them are the ones that have taken a second mortgage on them, so they are forced to "like them"... the same as how I like buying $1700 of new tyres each year.
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Follow Up By: yffud - Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 13:25

Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 13:25
Stevesub,, if there is one thing I have learnt from LR it is.................................

Sorry sir I have plugged in the test book and it tells me your smile hasn't had a problem since you got it !
What ! you dont care what the computer wisbang test book thinginmubob says,,,,, you claim to not have a smile.

Well sorry you are mistaken ! the computer cant be wrong, you are obviously doing something wrong! TIC

Sound familiar ?
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Follow Up By: yffud - Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 13:27

Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 13:27
Stevesub,, if there is one thing I have learnt from LR it is.................................

Sorry sir I have plugged in the test book and it tells me your smile hasn't had a problem since you got it !
What ! you dont care what the computer wisbang test book thinginmubob says,,,,, you claim to not have a smile.

Well sorry you are mistaken ! the computer cant be wrong, you are obviously doing something wrong! TIC

Sound familiar ?
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Reply By: stevesub - Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 12:02

Friday, Sep 16, 2005 at 12:02
Love it, we considered doing the smae to ours outside the dealership but we needed their co-operation for another year for the warrenty.
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