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Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 05:55
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Gidday all I was talking to a mate who returned from a trip up around NT he said he was chatting to a service manager about problems from bull dust. The service manager said up there they put in a overide switch to turn off the abs as it can get a bit ugly in the dust. Has anyone heard of this problem before.
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Reply By: Mike DiD - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 06:39

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 06:39
It is accepted that ABS can increase stopping distance on gravel and snow.

A locked wheel causes gravel/snow to pile up in front of the wheel which helps braking.
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Follow Up By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 21:40

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 21:40
If your wheels are locked you have no steering control, you are sliding into the reason you put your brakes on in the first place. Cheers Rob
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Reply By: Vince NSW - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 08:00

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 08:00
Do a search, been spoken about a lot. The main problem with a switch is if you do come unstuck, will your insurance cover you. I have a blown fuse that goes in when I hit the dirt.
Vince
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Reply By: 944runner - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 09:45

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 09:45
Had a mate ina challenger went up a sand hill, when he hit the top, stomped on the skids and kept going over the other side and dropped of a 1 meter lip (yes we new it was there), smashed the front up. ABS is only good for bitumen in my eyes.
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Reply By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 18:18

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 18:18
If you learn to brake correctly on dirt using the threshold braking method you will not activate your ABS and you will stop shorter and in control of your steering. Cheers Rob
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul P (Bris) - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 19:01

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 19:01
G'day

I agree. Much adverse comment about ABS on a 4WD. I purchased the ST-S because I wanted the ABS. The advantages far outway any perceived disadvantages.

Paul
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Follow Up By: RobEG - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 19:56

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 19:56
Rob

Can u explain about the threshold braking method and does it work when u just react in a panic stop?
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Follow Up By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 21:38

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 21:38
Threshold braking is the point just before a tire starts to skid or in the case of ABS braking the point just before your ABS activates. I have been teaching this method for many years on loose dirt surfaces and have refined it now for the present crop of ABS vehicles. Once you have learnt this method correctly, just like having learnt to swim, your mind body never forgets how to use it Cheers Rob
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Reply By: DaveF - Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 13:54

Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 13:54
Greetings,

I take it this threshold braking method needs to be taught practicaly as opposed to being described. I was not planning on a trip to Cairns. I have recentyly purchased a series II TD5 Disco with abs and traction control. I use it 80% on bitumen and live in the Adelaide Hills where I believe these safety features are worthwhile, but I am not sure about on dirt and sand as I have heard & read disparaging reports. I would be interested to hear more about threshold braking. Sorry to tangent this thread a bit.

Regards

DaveF
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Follow Up By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 20:47

Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 20:47
Hi Dave, I have explained it in theory above, but you really have to do it to understand. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, a demonstration is worth a thousand pictures. When I train people I am really pedantic about teaching them how to brake properly on a loose dirt surfaces. Serious accidents in 4wds rarely happen in low range in difficult conditions. Most serious 4wd accidents happen at speed in high range on loose dirt surfaces. Unfortunately I have seen far too many caused by inexperience and lack of knowledge of easily learnt techniques. Cheers Rob
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Reply By: Member - Trent H (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 18:33

Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 18:33
thanks all for the response.
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