More Debates over 4wd

Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 12:41
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Reply By: Footloose - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 12:59

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 12:59
A well researched rebuttal of the current anti 4wd myths at last ! Excellent !
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Reply By: Frank_Troopy - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 15:08

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 15:08
Hi Folks,

The article says "A heavy 4WD will do exactly the same amount of damage as a large sedan, van, mini bus or people mover of the same weight. Its just simple physics about how much energy has to be dissipated in the crash."

The first part of this is rubbish because the second part is ignoring the time period over which the energy is dissipated. Having a large crumple zone causes the decelleration in an accident to be reduced and this in turn reduces the injuries in accidents because it reduces the forces achieved.

Remember school physics? The author is talking about kinetic energy.
(k = (u^2) / 2) In fact if you brake gently from 100kph and come to rest you dissipate the same kinetic energy as if you stopped by hitting a brick wall. Same energy, but different damage. In the case of braking, the kinetic energy is converted to heat energy in the brakes.

The thing that determines damage is not the energy dissipated, rather it's the force generated. (F = ma) The longer the vehicle spends crumpling and decellerating, the lower the force that is generated.

My Troopy's chassis ain't likely to crumple much in a head-on accident and I am sure it would do much more damage to an opposing car than a similar weight sedan with a good crumple zone designed to minimise accident forces.

I think we have an obligation to other road users to understand some of the characteristcs of our vehicles and to drive them accordingly. It's fine to defend our cars from the attacks people love to make on them, but let's not accept wrong arguments just because they support our case.

Cheers Frank.
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Follow Up By: Coyote - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 16:15

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 16:15
Right on Frank...
It's not the 4WD die hards that are the problem.. most of us have spent too much time and money in setiing up a dream to drive the beast wrecklessly.
Personally I think it's the soccer mums with the Beamers and Lexus' etc that drive them like a sedan that mae all 4WDers look bad.. and lets face it.. those top end 4WDS really can be driven like a sedan if you want to.. I wish my little 2.8 GU could be driven like that.. not that I would but geez I could do with alittle more Zip..
Add to that, there aren't many "equivalent sized sedans" to my over 2T GU patrol with Bull bar added for effect. I know I drive a weapon and I drive it accordingly. ie very carefully...
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Follow Up By: Patrol Freak (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 16:59

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 16:59
Coyote.
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Follow Up By: Ted (Cairns) - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 21:16

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 21:16
Frank

Your Troopy WILL crumple some, at least compared to a truck. A few years ago in Europe we had a very tragic headon between a Mercedes 1944 prime mover (cabover) and a Mercedes Sprinter van. I wasn't at the site but was told the Sprinter's engine/box basically exited... via the van's rear doors! The PM had a bent chassis (so you could say it crumpled slightly - 100mm?), and a ripped out front axle, so it was totalled.

So what do we (or Scruby and Co) want to ban next?
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