Power Steering Problem - Outcome/Feedback

Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 21:40
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Evening all

About midday today I went down and had a further discussion with the Power Steering Specialist about the Power Steering Pump on my Troopy that I dropped off to him yesterday.

(1) Pump had been removed and stripped.
(2) Shaft had two nice grooves worn in it by the twin/double lipped seal as he had previously suggested would be the case.
(3) Pressed bearing on shaft had a slight chatter/grind to it
(4) Seal, Bearing, Shaft on order from Toyota – expected about 2,00pm.

Prior to me leaving, about 2.00pm, the Toyota courier had arrived and I had a look at the new bits and pieces .All genuine Toyota whatever that means in the long run. Mega $’s most probably

I picked it up at 5.30pm and there was a big difference experienced via the Steering wheel/column, plus a noise that had been there had disappeared.

The steering column had developed a feedback chatter coming up it when coming on to full lock – it doesn’t now. Funny how these little vibrations and/or noises develop and grow with you so that you think they are normal

Cost $612 including GST (CHIT I hate that)

One of the cost factors was labour which was higher in this case because the bottom mounting for the endless air I recently had installed, crosses under the engine and attaches to the PSpump mount and the engine on that side, and is a bitch (= extra time) to remove prior to tackling the pump.

So! I not to fazed about it.

One of the forum members suggested having a look at the Pump to Box lines/pipes to see how ‘ventilated they were.

Well I had four electrical conduits cable tied to one of them across the front of the vehicle including the nice big thick winch power cable. They were tied there – not anymore.

Now as for the reservoir, I misunderstood what he said yesterday re filters and seals(he talks at a million mile an hour). The reservoir only has filters in it and when the fluid has been there a long time and/or has been o/heated causing it to change its properties, these filters get clogged up causing additional problems.

The OEM fix for such a problem is remove, piff/throw away, and replace with a new one for Approx $300. Yes! $300 for a tin can.

This guy removes, opens and cleans and then reseals and refits for approx $70.00 . However he suggested not doing this until I had washed everything down and let it run for awhile and then check it for any leaks. (Nice of him)

The aforementioned forum member suggested giving the crimps on the reservoir can a ‘nip up’, and see what happens. Have done that so it will be interesting.

Well its been interesting to say the least and hopefully others will benefit from it.

Regards

Ken Robinson
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 21:46

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 21:46
Bonus. Sounds like the guy knew what he was on about, a rare find in this day and age, good job gumshoe!
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 21:56

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 21:56
Evening Mate.

Whilst I was there I asked him about the GSM/CDMA Dual Band aerials for you, however he said it wasn't his speciality and that a bloke in Grey st., Terang is expert in such matters.

I'll get further details for you, and yes he seems to know his stuff so far.
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 22:22

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 22:22
doesnt sound too bad here in kalgoorlie everything is rounded up to the nearest thousand so i would be stoked to get a p/s pump done for just over half that
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 23:26

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 23:26
Yeah! mate.

If I didn't have that extra mother of bracket thing attached to it, I am sure it would have been a tad cheaper.

Its funny how there is very little reported about this type of problem. Tyres, lubricants etc etc all get a right old flogging.

The fixit man also replaced the fluid with a product (Can't remember the brand or name) of a higher level/spec (industrial) than the OEM uses/supplies. Whatever that means other than extra $$$'s.

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Reply By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 22:29

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 22:29
Hi Uncle Lucy,
Great to hear that the old girl is up and well again.
Just as well it wasnt a nissan uncle, or it would have cost 6 grand, hahahahahah
Gumshoe? what have you been up to get a handle like that?
Cheers your favourite nephew!
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 23:14

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 23:14
You Yota buddies are one very sick group of inbreds!!!!! hahaha

Nissan wouldn't have cost anywhere near that, cos our pspumps are located much more logically and never get hot. In fact, like all other Nissan components, they have a self-diagnosis facility, so that in the highly unlikely event of something going awry (like a toyota owner getting a bit handy with a shifter etc), the system not only works out what is wrong, but also self-corrects: no charge.

One of these days you blokes will wake up and smell the brake shoes.

Cheers

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 23:21

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 23:21
I am going to give it a 'shakedown' at the Vic Winch Competition next weekend.

I'll just drive a couple of the easy tracks and make it work a little to see if it leaks or not.

Be over your way in the next two months and might make Kadina an overnighter instead of Clare. (keep you posted)

Take no notice of the 'Pinko, Mafioso gumshoe' comment, its just his way of coping with the stress of waiting for that 3.0L diesel thing he drives to go 'poof' in a cloud of smoke.

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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 23:22

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 23:22
Shouldnt you be in bed?
Now get your crap and beet it, you closet supporter you! hahahahaha
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 23:36

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 23:36
Unbelievable!, Roachie 'ga-zumpted' my reply.

"the system not only works out what is wrong, but also self-corrects: no charge."

Ooooh! Roachie, you are full of it. So full in fact its coming out of your ears.

Could you please tell all us 'philistines' out here n EX-OZ forum land how your self diagnosing/correcting Pootrol is dealing with its warm
A R S E problem.

What chapter/file in its revolutionary, innovative computer diagnostic program is it up to or did that die along with the 1c blue lights that you refuse to elucidate the joys of, to us all.

ROFLMAO

I have to stop as there is too much material here for me to work with.

See you soon
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Follow Up By: Glowplugs - Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 09:52

Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 09:52
Now now BOYZ keep it nice.

I will support Roachie, however, just to balance the scales lol
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 23:49

Wednesday, Sep 21, 2005 at 23:49
I forgot to include the following:

The two grooves that the hardened twin lipped seal wore in the drive shaft were very pronounced and noticeable, especially when compared against the new one.
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Follow Up By: traveller2 - Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 08:10

Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 08:10
So in other words if Toyota case hardened that section of the shaft (a few extra cents at production time) the problem wouldn't occur.
The other contibuting factor is that no one ever changes the power steering fluid (usually just ATF) and replaces it.
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Reply By: Tuff60 - Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 13:01

Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 13:01
You've just pointed out another great thing about having a Holden V8 in a Cruiser, power steering pumps are only $80 odd bucks changeover. And alternators only $120 brand new. No help to you, I know, just having a happy moment.
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