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Submitted: Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 14:03
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Hey all,
1. I am considering converting my 4runner to LPG. I am after any thoughts or experiences people have had with running a V6 3VZE on LPG.
2. To fit the LPG
tank I will probably need to move my spare wheel out from underneath the vehicle. Has anybody used a 4WD Systems spare wheel carrier and how have they found it?
Cheers for any replies in advance
Shane
Reply By: Glowplugs - Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 19:58
Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 19:58
Can't help you with the 4runner but if you are serious about fitting a gas
tank be reminded that the Federal Government has passed legislation to introduce an excise on LPG in January 2007 to bring it in line with Unleaded fuel prices. Why I don't know.
I takes about 18 months to equal out the money spent on a gas
tank.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 20:04
Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 20:04
This has been done over so many times I'm surprised people still get it wrong. Not true Willem. There will be increases but not to that extent. LPG will remain the cheapest fuel.
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Follow Up By: Glowplugs - Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 20:18
Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 20:18
Well Ray, seeing as you say I am wrong, how about a full explanation?
I would also like to add that who the hell knows what will happen in 2007?
No one predicted the rise in oil prices.
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Follow Up By: sudsy - Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 21:38
Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 21:38
If you can afford it Shane, I say go for it. V6's can be thirsty as in a 4by.
If you do, and has been said already, spend the money on good valves and valve seats cos some standard ones can't handle the higher combustion temperatures and will burn away eventually. Just do some research by asking LPG fitters and mechanics about your engine.
I bought a V6 Rodeo on gas and I dont regret it now with the absurd petrol prices.
I was lucky though, the previous owner had to get the heads redone (70K ago) with proper LPG valves and seats etc. for above reasons, so I'm looking at getting quite a few
miles before any valve troubles.
Make sure you run it on petrol regularly too to keep the injection side of things excersized. It doesnt have to be for long periods, just to keep things moving.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 22:24
Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 22:24
Willem, sorry was in a bit of a rush before. The Commonwealth Government has announced that excise will apply to LPG. It will be increased annually from 1 July 2011 at a rate of 2.5 cpl increasing to 12.5cpl by July 2015.
It was originally planned to start in 2008 but they backed away from that date till 2011. They are likey to back away more after worldwide condemnation.
Even at 12.5cpl tax it's a lot cheaper than petrol and diesel and
the gap will probably increase over the years.
Oh yeah, they will also be offering a $1000 rebate on installation when the excise cuts in.
Yep who knows, as they say only two things in life are certain but at the moment that's the plan and failing to plan is planning to fail :)
keep chugging
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Reply By: coopers - Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 20:32
Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 20:32
Shane I don't have any experience with your late model v6 toyota ,but I converted a 1998 mazda bravo b2600 with 10,000 kms for a cost of $1600 and at 150,000kms. I had the cyl head re-built at the cost of $1700. All I will say is $3300 will buy a huge amount of petrol. The after market spare wheel carrier fitted under my Mazda behind the gas
tank could only be used by cranking it with the shaft of a large screwdriver whilst laying under the vehicle (not satisfactory) I don't have an opinion on gas / petrol /diesel but this was my experience (the bravo b2600 could be purchased with an lpg conversion)
I hope this helps Peter
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Follow Up By: gqpat - Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 21:19
Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 21:19
The Toyota v6 engine in the 4 runner isnt a great choice for lpg as the cyl heads will require work how long i dont know if it has low ks you may get 50-80 k more out of it .
Although once the heads are rebuilt with better valve seats etc it should be fine for years .The biggest drama ive found is the tappet clearance tightens up because of valve recession and being a bucket and shim type lifter are expensive to get adjusted most people dont do them as required and they then burn valves out ..
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Follow Up By: Merce - Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 21:58
Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 21:58
Just remember taxis aren't on lpg because it cost them more. In NSW it is 85cents cheaper. Surely that outways the cost of a possible yet unlikely repair.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 22:31
Thursday, Sep 22, 2005 at 22:31
Yes it depends on the engine. I did over 300,000 K's in a VL commodore on gas. Took me around Oz on the blacktop with never a problem. Still operating perfectly when sold.
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Reply By: techie - Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 00:44
Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 00:44
I have 1994 Mazda E2000 just converted to lpg. Cost $2000.
I giggle every time I pass a servo. I get 380km from 55l lpg.
I have dual system and can switch between. The engine sounds smoother on LPG.
My car has FE motor which was designed for LPG but I also had Flashlube valve lubricant installed for $90 just in case.(cheap insurance)
If you contact
http://www.lpgaustralia.com.au
or phone Mr Peter Linahan 02 9319 4733 and ask your questions. This is one guy who will tell you the complete nuts and bolts of the system (even told me some things the public shouldn't know).
He should be able to recommend installers and tell you how to find out further info.
Regards
Techie
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