WARN - ing to the unwary
Submitted: Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 02:44
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Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha)
I will be picking my 80 series up tomorrow after having the 10,000lb Warn winch checked over. It has let me down 2wice after being bogged to the diffs. The first time I had the hi lift with me which made extrication fairly easy and the 2nd time i didnt which resulted in a 40km ride on the shanks pony. Bottom line is auto leccy couldnt find anything aqctually wrong with the winch ( he replaced bearings and solonoids but nothing he could see was stuffed). I have seen numerous posts deriding hi lift jacks but from my experience If I had the choice between a hi lift and winch i would take the Hi lift every time (obviosly both is best with a second vehicle with snatch strap daylight ahead again). When bogged often the best route is back with with more often than not no winching points ahead of you.
Yea some may say bury a spare tyre or log -
well after breaking off a slab of
granite 1/2 the size of a bonnet and tearing it buried from the ground i doubt if that will work!!!. so while a winch may be of some benifit if I am going further than town limits I will also have the (proven) method of removal - the Hi lift (lets not mention hang ups - again where hi lifts are king) JMHPO
Reply By: Rosco - Bris. - Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 06:21
Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 06:21
You get my vote on this one Davoe. I'd like to see someone with a bottle jack and their truck sitting on it's belly.
Give me the hi-lift anyday.
Cheers
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Reply By: Rock Crawler - Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 06:25
Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 06:25
Your not alone with the Warn winch not working when you need it , I know 2 people on here that were let down more than once when the warn wouldnt kick in . So much for paying the bucks for the right equipment
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Reply By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 09:51
Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 09:51
Sounds a bit strange, there must be some obscure problem with the winch. I've never heard of them not working for no reason.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 10:26
Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 10:26
It works but didnt have the grunt to pull me out with a single line pull and it was pretty doubtfull it would have done it with a double although it did have the power to uproot a substantial shrub/tree and bust and tear a rock from the ground
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Reply By: BenSpoon - Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 10:40
Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 10:40
bugger!
Did you end up taking it to Reggie Blake Auto?
I dont know if you knew, but high-lifts can also be used as
winches. turn the jacking mechanism around, attach the car to the mechanism and the anchor to the top of the jack itself and pump away. I've never actually had to do it, but have heard it plenty of times.
Got any techniques for getting a wheel out of a
mine shaft? almost did it again the other night.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 10:45
Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 10:45
Yep thats where I took it. Have heard about using the hi lift as a winch - sounds a bit last resort stuff. As for getting a wheel out of a mineshaft - take a hard hat and cap lamp
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 11:35
Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 11:35
You can use a hi-lift as a winch, but you need the correct chains and hooks to do so properly (though I suppose you could jury-rig something in an emergency). Here is a very old web page of
mine that shows a hi-lift as a winch
Cheers
Captain
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Reply By: Footloose - Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 11:37
Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 11:37
I guess the portable rescue trees wouldnt be any good in that ground either ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 12:16
Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 12:16
I dont have experience with them except for carrying a sand anchor on a South coast trip (wasnt required) so am unsure. Bottom line i did manage to winch it forward about 1/2 a meter which made things worse. If I had the hi lift I would have jacked up the
wheels and placed
granite slabs unerneath the
wheels (there were plenty of them) then used rocks and branches to make a causway back about 2 meters to firm ground. I used this method before when bogged near
granite rocks and on the edges of a
salt lake and it works
well
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 15:51
Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 15:51
Hi Davoe
I run a 12000 lb on one of my 80s and the winch is good, the solenoid pack is a not much use at all. you can build up a better one at a third of the cost. I would also suggest that you run much heavier cable than warn supply and use the 239 volt crimp on terminals. also change your battery terminals to the large brass type that you bolt the leads to this will aid in the supply of power to the winch and prevent any voltage drop.
Ray
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 19:03
Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 19:03
Yes, it doesnt take much to stop an electric 12v winch. I would suggest you get a snatch block and winch extension strap for the recovery kit, as that would have extracted you....
well maybe.... i took a beaut 10k warn off and put a PTO on...now it doesnt stall, but breaks shear pins instead (if i dont snatch block it)
Two snatch blocks and you are talking 30000lb pulling power..aswell as first layer pulling instead of second ot third with a single pull.
My comment above about the 12v part of the winch are personal observation....a fully charged 12v battery sits at 13.2v or (6 x 2.2volts) a big diesel wont start at 12.4, the winch will be struggling at those volts aswell, and only 0.8v below fully charged. The 24v system is used in cold climate large diesel motor starting, and what a difference in power.....ive heard people talk about their highmount 8000lb 24v warn winch snapping the cable on single pulls...that will never happen with a 12v winch. Keeping that voltage drop down to a minimum (as stated earlier) is more critical with 12 as opposed to 24v.
Andrew
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Reply By: Glowplugs - Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 21:10
Friday, Sep 23, 2005 at 21:10
I gave my Hi Lift Jack away. Of late (the last 10 years) I have had no use for it.
I run my winch once a month to keep it operational. It is a BRAWN 9500 and very good.
I also carry an exhaust jack and a trolley jack.
Mostly I try to stay clear of boggy situations.....maybe I am getting soft lol
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