Tuesday, Sep 27, 2005 at 20:33
Hi Glen,
The correct way to handle trailer ball weight is NOT to beef up the rear springs, it is to use a proper weight distribution hitch (Hayman-Reese, Trailboss, etc). Yes, stronger springs and/or air springs (Polyair or others) may
well return your LC to a level attitude. But they will NOT return the original weight to the front axle and as a result, you will have less braking capacity and possibly less steering force available when towing - when you may
well need it most.
Look at it like this: Your Cruiser is a see-saw which pivots about the rear axle. When you put 250kg of down force on the tow ball, you must, by simple physics, be reducing the weight on the front axle by between 50 and 100kg. Even if you lift the sagging rear axle up 70mm with strong springs or air bags, it makes no difference to the weight being supported (or no longer supported) by the axles.
On the other hand, a 250kg weight distribution hitch distributes up to 250kg of ball weight between the tow vehicle front axle, the tow vehicle rear axle and the trailer axle(s). Yes, the weight is still there but it's being shared around. When a weight distribution hitch is properly adjusted, the weight on the front axle is the same before and after hitching the trailer (easily confirmed by measuring the height from ground level to the front guard).
Now, there will no doubt be objections from the camper trailer fraternity that W-D hitch restrict the articulation of trailer hitches in extreme conditions. Fair enough, but what proportion of the time do the vast majority of CTs actually spend in extreme rough road conditions? Even the true adventurers' rigs probably spend 95%+ of their time and kms on the bitumen. And when you do get
well off the beaten track (and I don't mean when you first leave the bitumen) and need full articulation, simply remove the W-D hitch. In this situation, it may be advantageous to have Polyairs or similar which can be pumped up to restore your rigs level attitude to tackle the rough stuff without excessive grounding-out.
Stronger springs and/or airbags have a legitimate purpose if you're regularly or permanently carrying a lot of weight in the back of the vehicle. We have a near-permanent load of about 250kg of tools, spares and
camping gear in the back of our Discovery. For a couple of years, we handled this with Airlift bags in the rear coils running around 15 to 20 psi. This year we decided the original coils had done enough work at 180,000km and put in Lovells HD springs. These put the Disco back to original ride height + about 20mm, with our 'normal' load in the back. But it will still drop 70-80mm when we hitch up our 2200kg caravan, before the Hayman-Reese hitch is attached. When it is the whole rig returns to a level attitude.
Last thing, Glen; 250kg sounds like a very high ball weight for a unit the size of a Coromal Silouette. I'd guess its loaded weight should be about 1500kg? So, using the conventional wisdom that ball weight should be around 10% of total weight, I'd have thought 150-160kg would be its ideal ball weight? Is there anything you can do about the trailer's weight distribution?
Ian
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Follow Up By: glenk - Tuesday, Sep 27, 2005 at 21:18
Tuesday, Sep 27, 2005 at 21:18
Thanks Ian.When I weighed the front of the trailer I got a huge shock.I am aware of the 10% rule.Unfortunately most of the storage is at the front, including inside storage.Will work on loading a bit more before heading off.Would it be fair to assume though to some degree that if a cruiser has a maximum tow ball weight of 350kg,then if loaded with 350kg things should still be reasonably safe up front ie steering and braking.What im saying i guess is that 250kg is
well within the limits and by lifting the rear end up will give better clearance and should be safe anyway.
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Follow Up By: Croozer - Tuesday, Sep 27, 2005 at 21:33
Tuesday, Sep 27, 2005 at 21:33
Glen,
Your cruiser is rated to accept up to 350kg ball weight, but instead of all of this weight being placed behind the rear axle (which will take weight off the front
wheels) you should be trying to spread this weight as evenly as possible between the front
wheels, rear
wheels & and trailer
wheels. This is precisely what a Weight Distribution Hitch does. You will still technically have the same ball weight.
Stuart
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Follow Up By: tessa_51 - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2005 at 08:10
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2005 at 08:10
Glen
I think you have got to look long and hard at the weight distribution in the camper. 250kg at the ball would indicate that the rig is way out out of balance and could become very dangerous. For some reason manufacturers insist on putting storage spaces in the front end of these things without any thought to what you, the consumer will put in them. At a guess I would say you are probably carrying tent poles, gas cylinder(s) and jerry can(s) on the draw bar before you even start to fill the front boot. I had this setup on my old Jayco outback and found that to balance everything properly I had to move the pole carrier to the rear of the c/t and pack as much of my internal goodies towards the rear - at least level with or behind the axle. Even with that I had Polyairs installed on the Prado together with OME
suspension. As an aside, have you noticed that Jayco stick their spare wheel about 300mm out the back of their off-road campers - IMO an attempt to counterbalance the extra load at the front.
Good Luck with it.
Tessa
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