Oil Prices

Submitted: Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 07:25
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Maybe I'm a dummey, but if there is plenty of oil available to anyone who wants to buy it & we have own own refineries and there are no restrictions in regard to shipping, why are we dictated by what happens in America. If the Yanks have Hurricane problems & it affects supply to them, how does this equate to us. All I can see is the price of oil going up, because the c--cksuckers have a problem in their
country. I thought we paid Singapore prices, but they appear to be the same as New York, so can anyone explain in laymans terms what I appear to be missing.
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Reply By: nuboy - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 07:52

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 07:52
I hear that with this motor the sump is off the bottom of Australia and the dip stick is in Canberra
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Follow Up By: Shane (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 08:12

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 08:12
Is that supposed to be a wisecrack nuboy!
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Follow Up By: Tuff60 - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 08:41

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 08:41
Did you wake up GRUMPY Shane??
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Follow Up By: Shane (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 08:57

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 08:57
Yeh ! But at the expense of continuing " let's get Shane this morning" if you can't relate to the Post, don't reply. No more bites from my end.
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Reply By: Alan S (WA) - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 09:52

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 09:52
Shane

Not all crude oil is the same, it is all made up of various different components. These components are termed lights to heavys. The components that go into diesel are heavys and those that are used for ULP are lighter, asphalt is a heavy. So some crude have a lot of lighter components and some have more heavys.

Refinerys take the crude and seperate the releative componenets to form fuel and other products.

Australian crude is extremely high quality and contains a lot of light end components, (thus worhty a lot more than other crude) compared to saudi crude which contains a lot of heavys. What the refineries do is blend the different crudes togethor to minmise wasteage. If our refineries processed just our crude we would be paying a lot more for fuel due to high wasteage of light products.

Therefore to get a high price foro our crude and to import heavyier crude to be able to mix with ours means we oil is traded on a world market.

As the yanks have just lost about a 1/4 of their refinery capacity they still have a need for fuel and will buy it on the world market. Thus increased demand = increased prices.

Hope this over simplified response makes sense.

Alan
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Reply By: Member - ROTORD - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 10:23

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 10:23
Hello Shane

This one is easy . Oil is an internationally available product that is sold by an auction system . Supply and demand result in a price . At the moment demand from China is increasing , supply hasn't increased , so the price goes up . The temporary loss of production due to storm damage in USA will temporarily drive prices up even higher.

Australia is an oil exporter so the good news is that the higher oil prices add to the wealth of Australia and we all benefit .

Could we keep our oil and artificially lower the price at Australian service stations? Theoretically we could and some countries do , Indonesia for one . But this would mean that no oil company would explore in Australia , so the government would have to set up , and subsidize , a public service department to do the job . Oil exploration costs would compete with other government costs , such as education health and infrastructure .This balancing act would be twisted by 'pork barrelling' at election times . Indonesia is currently experiencing a petrol shortage because their 'supply' is set by the government and not by demand . Countries that sensibly subsidise petrol tend to have vast supplies and negligible exploration costs , that situation does not apply to Australia .

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Reply By: robak (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 10:29

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 10:29
Shane

If you were selling pineapples to queenslanders for $2 and then somebody in victoria offered you $4. You would only continue selling pineapples to queenslenders for $2 because you're a nice guy.

Well, the oil companies are not nice guys.

:)
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Follow Up By: Member - ROTORD - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 10:38

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 10:38
Which is why it is worthwhile to invest in oil companies
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 10:40

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 10:40
ahhh.. yes

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
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Reply By: Shane (QLD) - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 11:28

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 11:28
Thanks all for your informative replys. Yes one does get a bit grumpy when you have 2 /FWD's to fill up with Dieso & you get $15 change out of $200.
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Follow Up By: Hairy - Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 13:51

Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 13:51
I filled my car last week and it cost $160 to fill one. No Dramas though it should almost last the hole week!!!
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 11:48

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 11:48
The answer is simple. Mr John Howard. In the 70's when he was the guy that introduced "world parity pricing" into Australia. Now he's just to much of an ass wipe to swallow his pride. Simple.

Did you know in Bali they pay 33c a litre and it comes from the BP Refinery in Kwinana (perth). Same place mine comes from at $1.30 a litre. Work that out...

Thanks Johnny, your a true ozy. NOT.
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Follow Up By: Member - ROTORD - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 13:18

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 13:18
Jeff M

You are living in dream world . In the 70's , Australia was a net importer of oil products , so we were paying world parity prices . Exploration in Australia was increasing and we would eventually become a net exporter only because the oil companies operated in an environment of world parity pricing and the profits justified the costs . The Labor governments which followed had exactly the same policy on parity pricing so I can't understand your gratuitous abuse of John Howard . Correct me if I am wrong , but wasn't it treasurer Keating who imposed the government duty on petrol ? I do know that Keating floated the idea of a similar duty on LPG . Nothing more was heard of that proposal , probably because it was realised that it is difficult to win an election when every taxi driver in the country hates you .

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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 13:31

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 13:31
That's funny, I don't remeber ever dreaming about paying $1.30 + for fuel...

It would cost millions of dollers to drop the excise by 1c a litire and they have BILLIONS of dollars spare... Why not give it to the yanks in aid, they really need it... And that's not even starting on the state government taxs...
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 13:33

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 13:33
Oh yeah, you didn't explain the price descrpency betwen Perth and Bali...

BTW I like Costellos comments on how higher fuel prices will keep 4wd's off city streets with his smug slimey smile. You stick up for them, good on you.

Higher fuel prices are keeping my 4wd off the dirt not the city streets. The kids still need to get to school and the shopping has to be done, but we cancelled our trip to Kalbarri because we couldn't afford the fuel.

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Reply By: Rowie - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 15:10

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 15:10
We export at $10 a barrel and import it at $60 a barrel.

This parity pricing system is a joke. We are getting screwed by Howard by paying GST on top of 38c lt excise. Our GST and excise combined amounts to mor ethan the total price per lt in neighbouring countries which we export to!!!

Howard wants to "increase productivity" by causing an erosion of worker conditions, delivering more "flexibility" for employers.

Which translates in plain English to 1. More profits to employers 2. Loss of penalty rates, public holidays for employees and more shiftwork for employees.

Howards deceptive ruse of increasing productivity has no economic reasearch foundation whatsoever.

How does productivity increase when you screw workers? It doesn't, it actually drops. But when you have a system where employees become an exploitable resourse and you can replace them for a few pennies an hour, you don't care as an employer.

With no unfair dismissal laws to protect staff, the future looks very grim until Crazy John gets voted out. I still can't find anyone willing to admit they voted for the prick, but somebody did, cause he's still here.
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Follow Up By: bgreeni - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 20:13

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 20:13
Here in UK (with a labour govt!!!???) we pay twicwe what you pay in Oz.

I read the other day that Indonesia, who subsidise fuel prices, are going to stop due to it sending govt. broke.
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Follow Up By: Hairy - Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 13:54

Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 13:54
Yeh but you Poms can do 3 laps of your country on a tank full?
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Follow Up By: Member - ROTORD - Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 15:28

Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 15:28
I think I can see the answer to our problems ; tell me who is selling Australian oil at $10 a barrel , I will buy it and sell it to Austalian refineries at $20 a barrel . Australia will have the cheapest fuel in the world and I will make a tidy profit .
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Reply By: angler - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 20:34

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 20:34
Re the pollie decisions,

Remember not one of them has to purchase petrol, EVER.

Why should they worry.

And yes there will be excise on LPG soon. I can't remember when but I have read about it.
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Follow Up By: Rowie - Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 11:33

Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 11:33
This country is heading for a recession.

The recent 50% price increase in the retail price of petrol is about to start flowing through to Supermarkets in the price of goods.

Because of our atrocious rail freight and rail public transport infrastructure which has been allowed to fall into disrepair over the last 50 years, we have no choice but to rely on road transport to move freight and people.

With Cost of production (COP) directly related to fuel (diesel) prices for farm tractors etc, trucks to get produce every step of the way from farm to consumer, prices are about to skyrocket.

If you think the Howard Govt policies are making it hard already, sit back and get ready for a lot more pain till the next election, especiually in the next 12 months as the fuel increase ripple effect is felt.

We keep hearing and seeing a very smug Peter Costello brag about his economic wizardry and how he has masterfully generated a huge budget surplus.

Apart from giving high end wage earners a tax cut, what else is he proposing to do with all this money? Nothing. The surplus is being set aside for pre election pork barrelling and political advertising campaigns. The taxpayers who have paid for the surplus will get their tax dollars back in trinkets like patronising fridge magnets, newspaper and TV ads.

Medicare desperately needs more funds NOW. Without urgent funds, our helath system will rapidly end up like the US, which is frightening. (For those of us who've expereinced their system first hand, it is the stuff nightmares are made of) You pay if you are sick, you have insurance or you don't get treatment.

Any govt who sits on a huge surplus whilst ordinary people suffer, is one to be ashamed of and needs to be removed from power.

John HOWARD and his government is a disgrace. I am ashamed to have him as our leader.

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Follow Up By: Member - ROTORD - Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 15:32

Friday, Sep 30, 2005 at 15:32
No don't tell me - you voted for Latham .
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Reply By: techie - Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 23:07

Thursday, Sep 29, 2005 at 23:07
As pointed out in post 266828 the site to answer the question

is here

please read.
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