wiring a 2nd battery

Submitted: Monday, Oct 03, 2005 at 13:57
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I am looking at installing a second battery into my vehicle but I am doing it myself.
Speaking with different people there are two views as to where it should be connected to recharge it.
I am installing a relay so that it only charges when the ignitiion is on but I want to know,

1) Should I install the wiring to the positive of the main battery or to the positive connection on the alternator.

2) Has any body set up a second battery system themselve and if they have any info so that I can do it right. I dont need one of the fancy one that you can purchase I just need to wire it so that it charges when driving.

Any help would be appreciated.
STaylor
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Reply By: Russel & Mary - Monday, Oct 03, 2005 at 14:14

Monday, Oct 03, 2005 at 14:14
So, why not install one of those battery terminal on/off screw down type isolators that cost about 10 bucks. If you want simple then this is it. They have a green knob that tightens to make contact to join the positive of one battery to the other. They are available at Super Cheap, auto sections of hardwares and K-Marts ,etc.

I had one originally but found that sometimes the knob wasn't tight enough and the second battery didn't charge well. I now have one of those $150 solenoid thingos and had no problems. This way I can use the second battery whenever I like without the hassle of lifting the bonnet and remembering the isolate things.Rus.
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Follow Up By: STaylor - Monday, Oct 03, 2005 at 14:22

Monday, Oct 03, 2005 at 14:22
Thanks Rus,
Did you install it yourself and if so did you connect the positive lead to the positive on your main battery or did you go the positive terminal on the alternator.
Steve
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Follow Up By: Russel & Mary - Monday, Oct 03, 2005 at 16:23

Monday, Oct 03, 2005 at 16:23
Steve, it's wired battery to battery for the positive and the second battery earth bolts on to any part of the motor. There are often spare bolts that a 12mm spanner fits somewhere suitable.

The advantage of the solenoid system, apart from not having to lift the bonnet, is that the main battery is kept ready for starting and only until the main battery is charged back up again after starting does the solenoid click in and allow the second batt to charge. Also if in the event of ,say, leaving your headlights on and flattening the main batt, then you have the ability to override the solenoid and use it to start the vehicle. Rus.
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Reply By: V8troopie - Monday, Oct 03, 2005 at 14:29

Monday, Oct 03, 2005 at 14:29
What, only two views on how to connect it? Me thinks there are as many views as people you ask about this :-)
I did my own set up along your thinking, the relay contact connected to the main battery simply because it was the shortest run. I doubt that there is much voltage drop on the wire from the alternator to the battery to make a difference.
I used the wire to the charge light to turn the relay on.The charge light is set up in the troopy so the light gets 12V on both contacts when the alternator puts out a voltage, extinguishing the light. This might not make sense unless you are an electrician :-)
I used a 12V relay with dual 30A contacts, paralleling the contacts. This had given no trouble for over 10 years, built it into a dicast box to keep the dust out.
You might want to install a fusible link to the wiring to protect it in the event of a short.
Klaus
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Reply By: Leroy - Monday, Oct 03, 2005 at 14:46

Monday, Oct 03, 2005 at 14:46
Well if you want to keep it simple then I would be using a solenoid not a relay as the current carrying capability won't be high enough. Use cable/wire (the same size as your battery cables) for the second battery and connect off the main battery.
But a smarter way is to use a Redarc (suggested becasue of value for $) or other isolator. It ensures that your starting batt is fully charged before switching and charging your second batt.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: V8troopie - Tuesday, Oct 04, 2005 at 00:16

Tuesday, Oct 04, 2005 at 00:16
Leroy, you seem to have a misunderstanding of the words "solenoid" and "relay".
A relay is a device with electrical contacts which are activated by an electromagnetic force. It is used to switch current, like a remote operated switch. Bigger (often multi pole) type relays are called "contactor".

A solenoid is a device that performs some mechanical function by the application of an electromagnetic force. An example would be a fuel valve or the solenoid that locks or unlocks the doors, etc.

You can get relays with quite high amperage contact ratings, suitable for switching 12V but there are also others which are suitable to switch only AC voltages and many other varieties. One has to select the right relay.

The high current carrying capacity you mention is in most cases a myth. It will only come into play when the aux. battery is flat AND you wire it up with welding cables to the main battery, i.e you plan to start the car from the aux battery as well.
If the aux battery is there just to run a fridge, etc. then cables capable of passing 50A or so for a short time are adequate. 50A is plenty to charge the battery and it will drop quickly anyway as the battery takes up charge.

I made a compromise with my battery set up, as there is no room for a second battery under the bonnet it was fitted in a special box behind the drivers seat. If I do need this battery to start the engine ( happened only twice so far) I have made up longer jumper leads ( welding cable & clamps) which can temporarily connect the aux battery to the main battery to start her up. Being not fixed these cables also can start other cars or be used for welding, IMO a better use for additional heavy duty cables.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Oct 04, 2005 at 08:56

Tuesday, Oct 04, 2005 at 08:56
Troopie,

I think you felt like posting for the sake of posting to make a play on the words rely and solenoid. Generally a the term relay is used for low current applications and as such is not suitable for the intended application.
You contradicted yourself by saying on one hand the 'high current carring capacity is a myth' then go on to say 'it does come into play when the aux. battery is flat'. It's either a myth or it's not!! Here is an application where relay is not suitable.
Now I specified a solenoid because in the world of battery isolation it is common knowledge that the simplest form. Check out this link link text. You can use them for charging the battery but also you could use it for discharging. ie if your starter batt was flat you can bridge the solenoid to jump start yourself!
Hence the need for cables the same size as the battery cables as your starter battery so you can perform the jump starting task. For the sake of $15-20 bucks I wouldn't scimp on cable. So you can see why a simple relay is not suitable.
Contactors are used for high AC current and voltage applications and are not suitable at all.
I'm glad you're happy with your battery setup but I prefer to have one that is a little more robust.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Russel & Mary - Tuesday, Oct 04, 2005 at 11:55

Tuesday, Oct 04, 2005 at 11:55
So Troopy, I hope the battery you've got behind the seat is one of those gell type. You know, the ones that won't spill acid all over you in the event of a rollover !!!!!!!!!! Rus.
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Monday, Oct 03, 2005 at 15:35

Monday, Oct 03, 2005 at 15:35
There are alot of good ideas out there, but they are all only ideas till we know what car you have....if it is computer controlled, be scared of spike :-)
Just to confuse you, another option is to install another altenator on the motor....which is not usually very easy to do....but the alt is usually cheap from an old datto/holden or similar....and run a second stand alone system..
Best atribute, is the batteries never get joined together, so it doesnt matter how dissimilar they are or if one dies, it doesnt kill the other. etc
Andrew
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