Patrol bonnet scoop?

Submitted: Friday, Oct 07, 2005 at 22:33
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I have heard from several people that the scoop on the GU patrol bonnet does not work, the air pressure under the bonnet is greater than above, so air actually comes out of the scoop instead of in, hence hot air through intercooler instead of cold air.Any thoughts? (bigger scoop?)
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Reply By: rolande- Friday, Oct 07, 2005 at 22:54

Friday, Oct 07, 2005 at 22:54
G'Day ACDC,

Mine has a seal between the scoop and the intercooler, don't know if much air gets out. Not much going either way at the moment

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Rolande
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Friday, Oct 07, 2005 at 22:58

Friday, Oct 07, 2005 at 22:58
They all have the seal but am curious if the air actually does go the wrong direction or not.
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Reply By: Sarg - Friday, Oct 07, 2005 at 23:32

Friday, Oct 07, 2005 at 23:32
How can the air pressure be greater under the bonnet than on the outside,especially if you are driving?.I would have thought that it would be lower due to a vortex effect seeing it is basically enclosed on all sides except the bottom. thus any opening like an air scoop would be exactly that - an air scoop designed to direct the air over the inter cooler
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Oct 07, 2005 at 23:36

Friday, Oct 07, 2005 at 23:36
G'day,
I'm a bloke whose fitted a 3L scoop to my 2000 model 4.2 TD (non-intercooled). I fitted it on the opposite side to normal in the belief that it might direct air over the turbo and help keep motor cooler. I did that on New Years Day 2004. I initialled tried it fitted reverse as I'd read that it would help "extract" hot air from the engine bay, up onto the windscreen. That didn't help the coolant temp, so I've since turned it around to face forwards. At one stage I attached some cotton to the fin in the hole of the scoop and (from memory), it did blow outwards as much as it "sucked" inwards....this was with the forward facing aspect.

It's still on there, but if I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have bothered fitting it.

The Patrols do have a plastic "air dam" under/behind the radiator, angled back/down at about 45 degrees. The sole purpose of this is to cause a vacuum effect within the engine bay to draw hot air out through the bottom of the engine. I would imagine that that the intercooler, being sealed by a rubber fitting on the 3L, would have a positive air flow through the scoop and air would be drawn through and downwards.

Just my observations.

Cheers

Roachie
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Reply By: muzzgit (WA) - Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 00:30

Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 00:30
I have two things to say.

1. When driving at 100 kilometres per hour, stick your head out the window and tell me if you recon air wouldn't be rushing in throught the scoop on the bonnet. When travelling a low speeds the scoop does may not work, but I recon it would at highway speeds.

2. If infact what you say is true, why is the patrol engine puting out more pony's compared to the navara, which has the same motor but doesn't have the intercooler?
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Follow Up By: TroopyTracker - Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 08:36

Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 08:36
Muzzgit,
Ever noticed how a leaf or similar will sit ont the bonnet of the car at speed if you take off with it on there? Doesn't seem to be to much flow on top of bonnet if a leaf has trouble blowing off-at least on my bonnet anyway.

Cheers
Matt
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Follow Up By: Brett_B - Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 09:46

Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 09:46
I agree with Matt, I'm no expert but I would have thought there would have been a pocket of disrupted air on the top of the bonnet, caused by the initial "push" of the car through the air.

I have noticed a similar leaf effect as Matt explains but with bugs/flys etc :-)

Wonder how much a bull bar disrupts the air flow across the bonnet ??

All the rev head WRX rocket owners move their intercoolers behind the front grill, for what reason I wonder !!
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Follow Up By: Member - ROTORD - Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 10:57

Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 10:57
A common way to observe air flow in wind tunnel testing is to glue strands of wool to the area of interest . A dozen 50mm strands 100mm apart around the scoop may give the answer .
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 17:52

Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 17:52
Well here's another, remember XY GT Falcon with shaker on the bonnet the scoop did nothing because it was to low to bonnet line.
If you look at drag cars they use raised scoops at least 100mm above bonnet (letter box) to collect air!
I believe you can buy a bigger scoop for wrx's why?
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 20:45

Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 20:45
How do you figure the shaker on the xy did nothing? It is a different situation from the patrol as the patrol relys on air being passivly forced through the intercooler where as the gt was activly sucking cool air from outside the bonnet through the carby.
And as for bigger scoops for WRX it is for the same reason as the bigger rear wings 14 inch dump pipe and really big stereo - It looks good parked at the Maccas carpark at midnight ----- thoooomp thoooomp thoooomp
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 21:01

Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 21:01
I read it in a magazine years ago, it was common knowledge in racing .
Obviously the carby suck the air in but none was forced in.
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 21:02

Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 21:02
I read it in a magazine years ago, it was common knowledge in racing .
Obviously the carby suck the air in but none was forced in.
There was the advantage of cold air from the outside at full throttle.
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Reply By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 00:37

Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 00:37
2" bodylift and a 10" Davies Craig fan on top of the intercooler and a switch on the dash.
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 16:51

Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 16:51
Must be some pressure at Hwy speeds as the air would not enter the pulman tube to the heater air con etc.
Roachie' your idea with the scoop not so good eh, I was about to go down that lane with my 4.2td.

BUGGER wanted an easy fix.
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

Cheers Dodg.

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 17:32

Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 17:32
G'day Dodger,
Mate, waste of time and money in my opinion. Are you having "over-warming" issues too? No doubt you have been watching as I have been chronicling (if that's a word?) my attempts at keeping the standard Nissan temperature gauge below the half way mark.
As I've now concluded though, it could well be that there is no problem with the needle heading off to the right of centre, so long as it doesn't go all the way into the red.
It has certainly got me scratching my head (and getting splinters!!! hehehe).
Cheers mate
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 17:37

Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 17:37
When towing on hot days IE 35% plus the Nissan heats up and turns the air off but quickly lowers when the foot relaxes a bit.
Yep I think that the needle is a little over active.
Van weighs only 1.8 t when loaded so I must run at 80k when it's hot.
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 20:19

Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 20:19
If (and it's a big "if") you want to stop the air cond from cutting out so soon, you can quite simply unplug the switch under the bottom passenger's side of the radiator. However, you have to be aware of the fact that it hasn't switched off and the temp gauge might climb quicker than otherwise.

In case you weren't aware, the 4.2 has 2 thermo switches in the bottom radiator tank; one on either side. They both have electrical plugs about 9" from the thermo-couple unit. As stated, the passenger's side one turns the air cond off. The other one on driver's side, turns the air cond's fan on in front of the radiator to assist cooling by blowing air through the left side of the radiator. It is for this reason that the cowling has 2 square holes in it. I am sceptical about the value of either of these measures and believe it was a desparate attempt by Nissan to keep the big old girl cool, so they must have known that there is an issue with temp control.
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Follow Up By: warthog - Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 21:47

Saturday, Oct 08, 2005 at 21:47
Roachie did you give Sandy a call yet? Any ideas from him?
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