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Anyone know anything about this???

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Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 01:39

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 01:39
Doesn't make sense to me... I work near a company which cracks used oils to make diesel. The quality of their product is inconsistent and many including myself(when I had the diesel) gave up trying to use their diesel as it regularly meant unplanned filter changes and generally poor running. This guy tells us we can turn old engine oil into a superior diesel in our back yards... I'd believe it when I saw it except that no one with the plans is allowed to share the joy with anyone else. Sounds like a scam.

Read the feedback, no one says "I built it and it's great" All of his positive feedback pretty much reads "fast delivery, top ebayer, will deal with again" A few blow a bit of wind up his butt then go on to say "I'll build it as soon as I have time". How can you leave positive feedback before you use the damn thing?
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Follow Up By: Member - Bill S (NSW) - Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 10:28

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 10:28
Hey BLUE, How well said is that Quote :How can you leave positive feed back before you use the damn thing:??????????????

REgards BILLS
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Follow Up By: Member - Ed. C.- Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 15:58

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 15:58
Well, I guess that the feedback is justified on the basis that the buyers have received what they paid for (a pdf email), in which case the actual ebay transaction is successful and complete....

My curiosity was aroused, as I came across it while browsing ebay, & had not heard mention of such a "plant" before & wondered if anyone here had any knowledge of it...
I'd be keen to know if it is indeed possible to do what the seller claims from such a (home made) "plant"...

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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 18:18

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 18:18
Hi Ed,
the problem i have with the feedback is in the way he rests so heavily on it to show what a good product it is... And you wont know if it is possible to do as he claims unless you buy the plans and build it.

The first clause takes care of that:
1.) Upon paying for the Free Diesel plans, I, the applicant am legally bound to make no attempts to give any information regarding the Free Diesel plans and/or the methods of operation and/or any other information that is in any way even remotely associated with the Free Diesel plans and/or Free Diesel plant to any other person(s), company, group, entity, and/or third party.

this clause is a worry too:
17.) I, the applicant understand that whilst Verrall Electrical will endeavor to assist the applicant with any queries the applicant may have with regards to the Free Diesel plans and/or Free Diesel plant, it is not possible for Verrall Electrical to answer all the questions the applicant may have. This is due to different states and/or counties in different countries having different environmental, National and Local Governmental standards, conditions, laws, rules, and/or By-Laws regarding excise, pollution, and other matters not implied or mentioned here within.

They don't mention just how much potential pollution may arrise from the use of the plant, but take no responsibility if the EPA nabs you.

Have a look at their site, none of the customer comments state that it has been built and works...

In the "products" tab, they also have plans to extract gas from burnt wood which you can run your petrol engine on...

I would think a streamed video file demonstrating the process, the end result and pollution levels would help their cause.

Sorry if I come across overly negative. It's just that I know the extensive lengths the company near work has had to go to to satisfy the EPA, Workcover & other bodies that it is safe and has minimal environmental impact.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ed. C.- Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 22:22

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 22:22
G'day Blue,
No problem at all with your post.. In fact, I totally agree with the points you raise..
re the whole disclaimer thing, it certainly appears that the bloke has taken every possible step to cover his backside (which is understandable, I suppose).....

My earlier comment (re the feedback) was directed more at the previous respondent to your post....

FWIW, I've begun "dialogue" (via email) with said seller, & he has responded promptly & cordially, and has invited further questions, so we'll see how it goes;-)).....

Have a good'un...

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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 22:31

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 22:31
Look forward to a bit of follow up then Ed, if you don't mind... I'm sure others will look on with interest.

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Follow Up By: Member - Ed. C.- Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 23:04

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 23:04
Yeah, no problem...
Don't expect anything in the immediate here-and-now, as I'll be wanting to get as much info as I can, & I suspect that the discussion may be on-go-ing for a little while....

The "tinkerer" in me is tempted to buy these plans just out of curiousity to see how the h#ll it all works, & what comes out the end?? who knows??... I won't do it though, 'till I've got answers to quite a few more ??'s...

I'll keep ya posted :-))

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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 09:00

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 09:00
Yer, am not so sure either, would like to see it running before I bought.

$132 for a pdf emailed? I can send you one for HALF that!
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 09:56

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 09:56
Quantity: 19 available

Geoff, there are only 19 pdf's available though.....get in quick....lol
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 15:22

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 15:22
Tell you what Bonz... If you promise "prompt delivery, well packaged", I'll pay double.... How bloody well packaged does a PDF get?
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 17:52

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 17:52
You got it Blue, all PDF's are packaged in a plain brown envelope marked NO PRON! Postage is minimal
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Reply By: bruce.h (WA) - Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 13:26

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 13:26
call me stupid but how do they get around the sulfer for lubrication of pump seals ect if you dont add anything ?
or is it already in the oil?
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 15:23

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 15:23
You have to desovle a couple of multi vitamin tablets in the oil before you start...
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Follow Up By: Member - Bill S (NSW) - Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 20:27

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 20:27
How uninformed is that question about sulpher content, USA have tested diesel with no sulpher at all with no detrimental effects what soever fitted with ???????????

Wake up guys BILLS
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Follow Up By: bruce.h (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 11, 2005 at 11:09

Tuesday, Oct 11, 2005 at 11:09
well bill if you are so informed please explian why when the sulpher content was lowered in the diesel in australia there was a marked increase in leaking seals in many 4wd 's fuel systems
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Follow Up By: Member - Bill S (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 11, 2005 at 12:29

Tuesday, Oct 11, 2005 at 12:29
HI Bruce,Sulpher was added to diesel for the purpose of lubrication in the fuel,and that is why seals leaked.when suppher reduced.
Tests were carried out in USA some vehicles fitted with my product and others run without
After several tanks of fuel the ones fitted with my product had NO leaks whatsoever and the ones NOT fitted ALL leaked.
These tests were carried out with NO sulpher in the fuel.My product fitted the structural change in the fuel affords the fuel itself to become the lubricant,and this is why an increase in power is realised and better econamy. And Bruce I was in business with a workshop when this occured and actually did dozens of seal repairs on diesel vehicles.But never my own because I had my product fitted for my own appraisal.
Hope this answers you question.

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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 14:56

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 14:56
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4580377124

Are you sick of paying AU$1.30 or more a Litre for Diesel? Have you tried making biodiesel but found it too hard?

Why not make your own Diesel!

THIS IS NOT BIODIESEL, BIO-DIESEL, BIOFUEL, BIO-FUEL, WVO or SVO.

If you follow our simple, easy to read and understand plans and instructions, you can make your own Diesel for FREE!



We will show you how to process Waste Engine Oil (sometimes called crankcase oil or sump oil) fully automatically and turn it into perfectly clean homemade diesel with no more emissions than conventional diesel!

IN FACT: Most places will PAY YOU to take their old oil away, so in effect YOU GET PAID to make your own DIESEL! (Because there is nothing else to add to the plant, just waste engine oil)

LOOK AT THESE ADVANTAGES:

NO CHEMICALS TO ADD.
NO RUNNING COSTS.
YOU DONT NEED ELECTRICITY, GAS, ETC TO RUN THE PLANT.
NO HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS TO DISPOSE OF.
ONLY ONE BY PRODUCT WHICH CAN BE DISPOSED OF EASILY AND HARMLESSLY!
PLANT WILL OPERATE ITSELF AFTER INITIAL SET UP.
SAFETY INSTRUCTIONS INCLUDED.
CAN BE MADE IN COMMON HOME WORKSHOP.
CAN BE MADE USING MOSTLY SCRAP HEAP OR JUNK YARD MATERIALS.
IF THE PLANT WAS MADE FROM NEW MATERIALS WOULD COST LESS THAN AU$300.00 TO BUILD.
NO SPECIAL SKILLS NEEDED FOR CONSTRUCTION OR OPERATION. (IF YOU CAN WELD, GRIND, DRILL, ETC YOU CAN MAKE IT)
USES NORMAL WORKSHOP TOOLS SUCH AS ANGLE GRINDER, WELDER, DRILL, TAPE MEASURE ETC.
NO NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO YOUR DIESEL ENGINE FOR IT TO OPERATE EFFICIENTLY ON THIS FUEL.
THE WASTE ENGINE OIL (SUMP OIL) IS READILY AVAILABLE IN ALMOST ALL COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD.
YOU CAN EVEN GET PAID TO COLLECT THE SUMP OIL!
AT LEAST 50% CONVERSION RATE (FOR EVERY 100L OF WASTE OIL YOU GET AT LEAST 50L OF DIESEL WITH ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT OF WASTE TO DISPOSE OF - ABOUT 1KG OF ASH)
The plant can be built as small or as big as you need. You can make a small plant to produce 5L per hour or a big plant to produce 100L per hour. There are no limits on size.



Please note: We HAVE built this plant ourselves and it WORKS!



We have had the fuel tested and it produces slightly more power than normal diesel and produces less smoke.



The fuel shows no waxing or other ill effects even at Minus 1 deg Farenheit! (Minus 18deg Celcius)



As an additional benefit we now have a members only forum so all those who have bought the plans and signed the agreement can chat and discuss their experiences together.







We have been selling on ebay for over 12 months with 100% positive feedback.



Click here to check out our feedback.



Click here for some customer testimonials that we are an honest company!



Click here to read more about our company.



Here is a recent customer comment from an ebayer Mr D Melton:

Hi Michael,
My son and I have been experimenting with alternate fuels for quite a while with somewhat limited sucess. When I saw your plans I wondered if it were possible,I even emailed you a few times. After looking at your plans I dont have to think, I know they will work.The simple design is pure genius. Doing business with you over Ebay has been a pleasure,with more like you on Ebay it would be the only online auction. Good luck to you in all your endeavors

Thanks again
Don Melton
Wenatchee Wa
USA
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IMPORTANT: Please read the below agreement BEFORE buying this ebay item. (This is only a copy of the agreement, you will have a copy emailed straight to you after clicking on the buy-it-now button)

IMPORTANT: IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THIS AGREEMENT - DO NOT BUY THIS EBAY ITEM!



Agreement of Confidentiality, Indemnity, and Non Disclosure



I, , of

(Name of applicant) (Address of applicant)

in

(Suburb/Town of Applicant) (Postcode/Zip of Applicant) (Country of applicant)

(hereafter referred to as “the applicant”) on the day of agree to the (Day) (Month) (Year)

following:



1.) Upon paying for the Free Diesel plans, I, the applicant am legally bound to make no attempts to give any information regarding the Free Diesel plans and/or the methods of operation and/or any other information that is in any way even remotely associated with the Free Diesel plans and/or Free Diesel plant to any other person(s), company, group, entity, and/or third party.



2.) I, the applicant agree that no copies of the Free Diesel plans are to be made for distribution by any means, not limited to, but including: on paper or other writing material, electronically, visually, or verbally. In no way now known or any way that may be developed or devised in the future may the Free Diesel plans be reproduced in part(s) or in full.



3.) I, the applicant agree to hold no more than one paper and/or electronic copy of the Free Diesel plans in my possession at any given time.



4.) I, the applicant agree to never attempt to make any money, reward, financial incentive or anything else that may be construed to mean any of these things by selling, reproducing or making available to others the Free Diesel plans.



5.) I, the applicant agree to never attempt to make any money, reward, financial incentive or anything else that may be construed to mean any of these things by selling, reproducing or making available to others photos, diagrams, or drawings of the Free Diesel plant and/or equipment.



6.) I, the applicant agree to never attempt to make any money, reward, financial incentive or anything else that may be construed to mean any of these things by selling, reproducing or making available to others instructions for the Free Diesel plant and/or the Free Diesel plans.



7.) I, the applicant agree to never attempt to make any money, reward, financial incentive or anything else that may be construed to mean any of these things by selling, reproducing or making available to others copies or replicas of the Free Diesel plant and/or equipment.



8.) I, the applicant agree to never attempt to make any money, reward, financial incentive or anything else that may be construed to mean any of these things by selling, reproducing or making available to others any Free Diesel, Free Diesel products or Free Diesel derivatives



9.) I, the applicant agree that in building, manufacturing or attempting to build or manufacture the Free diesel plant, I could be causing a danger to myself and/or others.



10.) I, the applicant agree that in operating or attempting to operate any parts of the Free diesel plant, I could be causing a danger to myself and/or others.



11.) I, the applicant understand that certain safety measures will be explained to me in the Free Diesel plans and I, the applicant also understand that there could be other safety measures that are not mentioned to me as the applicant, but I the applicant should be aware of or make myself the applicant aware of.



12.) I, the applicant agree that Verrall Electrical in absolutely no way can be held responsible or partially

responsible for any claims made as a direct or indirect result of my actions in building, manufacturing, or attempting to build or manufacture any parts of, or the complete Free Diesel plant in the event that is causes or

partially causes or has a part either significant or insignificant in causing damage to myself and/or others in any way including but not limited to: financial physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual damage. This is regardless of whether I follow or do not follow any safety measures explained, partially explained or implied or partially implied by Verrall Electrical in the Free Diesel plans or in any other correspondence.



13.) I, the applicant agree that Verrall Electrical in absolutely no way can be held responsible or partially responsible for any claims made as a direct or indirect result of my actions in operating, or attempting to operate any parts of, or the complete Free Diesel plant in the event that it causes or partially causes or has a part either significantly or insignificantly in causing damage to myself and/or others in any way including but not limited to: financial, physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual damage. This is regardless of whether I follow or do not follow any safety measures explained, partially explained or implied or partially implied by Verrall Electrical in the Free Diesel plans or in any other correspondence.



14.) I, the applicant am willing to personally take full and total responsibility for any claims made as a direct or indirect result of my actions in building, manufacturing, or attempting to build or manufacture any parts of, or the complete Free Diesel plant in the event that it causes or partially causes or has a part either significant or insignificant in causing damage to myself and/or others in any way including but not limited to: financial, physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual damage.



15.) I, the applicant am willing to personally take full and total responsibility for any claims made as a direct or indirect result of my actions in operating, or attempting to operate any parts of, or the complete Free Diesel plant in the event that is causes or partially causes or has a part either significantly or insignificantly in causing damage to myself and/or others in any way including but not limited to: financial, physical, emotional, mental, or spiritual damage.



16.) I, the applicant understand it is totally my responsibility and no responsibility whatsoever of Verrall Electrical to ensure that the Free Diesel plant meets environmental, National and Local Governmental standards, conditions, laws, rules, and/or By-Laws.



17.) I, the applicant understand that whilst Verrall Electrical will endeavor to assist the applicant with any queries the applicant may have with regards to the Free Diesel plans and/or Free Diesel plant, it is not possible for Verrall Electrical to answer all the questions the applicant may have. This is due to different states and/or counties in different countries having different environmental, National and Local Governmental standards, conditions, laws, rules, and/or By-Laws regarding excise, pollution, and other matters not implied or mentioned here within.



18.) I, the applicant agree that Verrall Electrical in absolutely no way can be held responsible or partially responsible for any claims made as a direct or indirect result of my actions in using any product(s) such as but not limited to: Free Diesel, Free Diesel derivatives, that originate from the Free Diesel plant or Free Diesel plans. These claims are not limited to but may or may not include damage to any engines, vehicles, or any other article that the Free Diesel or Free Diesel derivatives may come into contact with.



Terminology of the Agreement of Confidentiality, Indemnity, and Non Disclosure



The Applicant: The person(s), company, group, entity, and/or third party whose details are on the top of this form. This must also be the person(s), company, group, entity, and/or third party who signs the agreement at the bottom of this form.



Others: Any person(s), company, group, entity, and/or third party who is not the applicant.



Free Diesel: Any product(s) that comes from part of the process or comes fromthe complete process of

manufacturing and/or operating the Free Diesel plant. This is not limited to but may include anything from the Petroleum Hydrocarbon Chemical Family or what is commonly known as Diesel, Petrol, and suchlike.



Free Diesel plans: The material in either a paper or electronic form that the applicant will receive from Verrall Electrical after paying the fee of AU$132.00. This includes but is not limited to drawings, instructions, and photos of how to build and operate the Free Diesel plant. This also includes further updates the applicant may receive later in time from Verrall Electrical.



Free Diesel plant: The materials that separately or when combined make up the product the applicant builds or manufactures in accordance with the Free Diesel plans. This is the device that enables the applicant to make FREE DIESEL.



Verrall Electrical: The company as a whole registered as Verrall Electrical or as separate individuals made up of four persons namely Michael Arthur Verrall, Michelle Louise Verrall, Lindsey Glen Verrall, and Kathleen Estelle Verrall. This is a legal partnership registered in Australia with the Australian Business Number 65 157 496 312 at the registered address of 35 Princes Highway, Tailem Bend 5260, South Australia.





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Name:





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(Address of Witness) (Suburb/Town of Witness)

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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 15:19

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 15:19
So what exactly is it you're saying there Truckster...?
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Follow Up By: Member - Bernard - Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 16:05

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 16:05
I love that clause 1 ...

"1.) Upon paying for the Free Diesel plans, ..."

That should make one suspicious right away.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ed. C.- Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 16:09

Monday, Oct 10, 2005 at 16:09
Thanks Truckster......
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