Another Patrol exhaust upgrade query...
Submitted: Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 20:06
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RedGibber
Hi All,
It's fairly obvious that larger (2.5" or 3") exhaust system upgrades for ZD30, TD42T and TD42TDi Patrols are becoming (or are!!) more and more popular.
Over here, West of Everywhere, there's not too many who supply/fabricate complete systems. There's a branch of MTQ in
Perth but generally they only provide the dump pipe and farm off the rest of the exhaust fab to local mobs. For a number of reasons I don't like that idea. I'm after a complete DIY "bolt up" system from back of turbo.
Another player has appeared on the scene......Manta Exhausts, and they advertise locally. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this mob? Are they Eastern States based and are they any good??
Should I bite the bullet and pay freight for a
Beaudesert Exhausts system? What other options (suppliers) are there for a 3" system for my TD42T??
Reply By: warthog - Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 20:59
Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 20:59
I have a
Beaudesert exhaust system and can only confirm that their system is of good quality. Expensive though, it was $950 fitted by
Beaudesert Exhaust.
Mine came with a boss welded in near the turbo that made fitting a pyro easy. Temp probe screwed straight in. Not sure if other brands have that but it was a bonus I hadn't considered at the time of purchase.
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Follow Up By: simple - Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 21:16
Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 21:16
for the lesser educated.... pyro? .... temp probe?
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 21:25
Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 21:25
so you can measure exhaust gas temp.
Leroy
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Follow Up By: warthog - Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 21:46
Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 21:46
Yes to measure exhaust gas temp and used as a tool to provide information on how much fuel the injector pump is delivering to the motor. More fuel = more heat. Too much heat is no good for the motor, although more fuel = more power, up to a point I believe as long as enough air is getting in there as
well. That is the way it was explained to me anyway, but feel free to correct/enlighten me as I am no diesel tech, evidenced by the fact that I got someone who knew what he was doing to tune the motor.
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Reply By: Exploder - Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 21:23
Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 21:23
Personally I prefer a custom built Job over the Pre- fabricated exhaust.
You can go into a specialist exhaust
shop and tell them how you want the system built, Or you can tell them what you are trying to gain from a new exhaust and they can then build one to suite you need’s.
Generally a little pricier but you get what you are after.
Just my thought’s.
Ford.
(For Off Road Driving)
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Follow Up By: warthog - Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 21:58
Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 21:58
Possibly but you run the risk of getting a dodgy system that is not
well fitted/mounted, fouls on the body, rattles, falls apart, too loud etc. I am making it sound like I work for
Beaudesert Exhaust, which I dont, but I can vouch for the fact that their system, for the td42t, fits
well, is
well mounted, is not too loud (could be louder actually ;-) ), and gives a bolt on horsepower gain. So if he can't get one to fit in WA this one works, and is mandrel bent so no loss of diameter on the bends. I think this is where some of the money goes as mandrel benders aren't cheap I believe.
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 01:34
Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 01:34
Valid point, finding a reputable exhaust
shop is probably the hard part, thou around
Perth there are a few
well know ones.
Me I have a custom system and am running twin 2¼-inch pipes from the manifold back, thro twin Cat converters (One for each pipe). Joining into a Y-Pipe and into a single Lukey Pro-Formance Muffler just before the rear axle and exerting out a single 2¼-inch tail pipe. It has a good note to it and is not overly loud ether.
The V6 S.O.H.C Petrol engine in the
explorers will loose Low end Power if you take to much Back pressure away from the engine and the same if you have to much back pressure, thus why the Pipe Diameter was kept the same for the length of the system and only one muffler used.
This is the advantage IMO of a custom system you can have it build to suet you.
Defiantly Not paying out on
Beaudesert Exhaust’s in any way I am just searing my View on why I opted for a custom job. That and
well there are no pre-Fabricated Exhausts available for a Explorer in Australia.
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Reply By: Tuff-Trol - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 12:25
Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 12:25
Dynamic Turbo's do a system also
UNITED in Redcliff .
It's a great set up , a mate has it on his from
United and its cost around the $1050 mark with dyno readout he also go them to juice up his turbo whilst there ... transformed his vehicle !
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 12:58
Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 12:58
I had my 3" mandrel bent jobbie done locally here in Kadina. I had a Binskin custom dump pipe (no lug to instal thermo-couple unfortunately) which set me back $220- and I think the rest of the system cost me $900-. A bonus which I wasn't expecting is that the fitter decided to place the tail-pipe so that it exits out the side, just behind the passenger's side rear tyre on about a 45o angle. The benefits of this are that it is no where near as vulnerable to being squashed when I exit a tight
creek-bed etc....it has allowed me to fit a set of 3x RM Williams mudflaps across the back without having to cut holes etc......and it also means that I can use the leccy mirror to see how much black stuff I'm blowing out when I stick the slipper into her when over-taking etc.
However, I did have one hiccup with it on our
Cape York trip 12 months ago. One of the brackets, near the muffler, broke and I had to tie it up with wire until we got to
Weipa, where a nice bloke relieved me of $30- to weld it back together with a strengthening gusset..........no more problems.
Mine has a simple straight-thru Lukey hotdog muffler and no other impediments to the flow of gas. It is still very quiet, although does sound a bit different to a normal 4.2TD. All-in-all I'm happy with the system.
I have since fitted a thermo-guard pyrometer and, going with Ian's beliefs, I had the thermocouple mounted in the exhaust manifold just above the turbo, rather than in the dump pipe below the turbo. The reasons for this, I believe, are based on sound logic.....the gas is at it's hottest before it goes into the turbo.....the turbo is a USER of heat, not a GENERATOR of heat. The temp after the turbo can be anything up to 200o less than above the turbo. I, for one, would rather know what temperature the gases are that I am throwing AT the turbo, rather than knowing how much the turbo has cooled the gases down by!!! ;-))
Just my experiences....
Roachie
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Reply By: RedGibber - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 19:34
Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 19:34
Thanks for the responses guys. I'll let you know which way I finally go (and with whom!!)
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