Landcruiser front diff
Submitted: Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 10:33
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V8Diesel
Howdy, I have a 100series with a live axle front end.
My question is, is this the same diff setup as the 80 series?
Reason being, I have given
mine a fair bit of curry with no problems whatsoever, but everyone seems to be saying they are made of cheese. The 100's get a bad wrap all the time, but the 80's seem to receive a god like reverence. I know the newer IFS one's give a bit of strife, but am in for a world of pain with my live axle too?
When I was looking at 100's a while back, I spoke to arguably the two leading experts on Toyota LC's in
Perth and they both said they are OK as long as you don't do anything silly with them. Is this the case?
Reply By: fatz - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 07:37
Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 07:37
V8Diesel, Not the same front diff as the 80 series. The front diff in the 100 is the same as the rear Prado unit. I too have heard all the horror stories and have throwen everything at
mine without any issues. I have done rocks, mud, sand and all in between. I have seen one busted centre in a solid axel 100 (I'm sure there are a few more) This happened when the guy was snatching another car backwards up a
hill. He was reversing and as soon as the load cane on, bang, all over. In my opinion, they are fine as long as you dont do anything silly. There is an issue with the IFS 100 front diff and I think a lot of people have ":tarred them all with the same brush"
I am led to beleive that the 80 series diff will bolt straight in, but have not checked, and hope never to need to!
Mick
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 08:42
Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 08:42
Thanks for that fatz. I avoided the IFS for a number of reasons and went the live axle. I've seen literally hundreds (1,000's maybe) of HZJ105's around all of WA and every gov't department uses them as do all the hire companies so they can't be all that bad. Having owned a GU for 4 years and doing a bundle of K's in it, I can quite safely say the Landcruiser 100 series is lightyears ahead in the comfort, handling, ergonomics, storage, braking and general 'usability' departments. If you need a
well mannered vehicle that you can hop in and drive a thousand km's a day in, with the ability to also travel off-road where 95% of vehicles can go - From experience, I think the 100 is the go.
I'm happy with my choice. I'll get another 4 years out of it and see what is on the market then.
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 15:24
Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 15:24
Unfortunately, the 100 front diff in the live axle version is thesame diff. The 80 had thesame problems but not as bad as the 100....the 100 diff centre is physically thesame size but with 43 teeth compared to the 80's 41. (The 100 runs 4.3 ratio /80 runs 4.1) so this means the teeth have to be smaller somehow to fit two extra on there at no increase in diameter. This adds to the low strength of ther 80 design, plus the weight increase and the torque increases of the 100 lineup motors and you have problems looming.
Ive heard of 100's getting bogged in sand and reversing was enough to blow the front diff....this is bad!
Its good that Toyota are so confident their cruisers will only need to go forward....hence the design that spreads the teeth appart when reversing....it all comes down to how you drive and how you use the 4b.....try snatching someone in reverse and your loading all 6 ports of the gun.....but it might just be trying to reverse out of a bog....or...anything
Now, ive heard something to the effect that Toyota have put a 4 pinion open centre in the 100 after 2000 to help minimise problems but cant confirm.
The rear Prado diff is thesame size as the 80/100/75 front, and the hilux aswell, but it is a LSD...which cant go in a 100 constant frontend....due to the lsd effecting steering.
Andrew
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