Landcruiser front diff

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 10:33
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Howdy, I have a 100series with a live axle front end.

My question is, is this the same diff setup as the 80 series?

Reason being, I have given mine a fair bit of curry with no problems whatsoever, but everyone seems to be saying they are made of cheese. The 100's get a bad wrap all the time, but the 80's seem to receive a god like reverence. I know the newer IFS one's give a bit of strife, but am in for a world of pain with my live axle too?

When I was looking at 100's a while back, I spoke to arguably the two leading experts on Toyota LC's in Perth and they both said they are OK as long as you don't do anything silly with them. Is this the case?
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 10:59

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 10:59
V8Diesel ,
I spoke to Traction 4 ( Sydney ) about this , as I have a 100 TD auto . They said that the diffs are not as strong in the front and that you should never tow people out backwards or back up steep grades if it can be avoided . They said " do it all in a forwards direction and you should not have a problem "
I always keep this in mind now .
Also I made sure I fitted the front suspension re-enforcement upgrade made by ARB which seemed to be the other big weakness of the IFS.
Cheers ,
Willie .
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 18:14

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 18:14
From what one of the 4WD magazines said, you shouldn't even drive forward with them....

Trashing a diff during a "lightweight" 4WD test does not auger well. From memory they came last in the test against a goup of supposedly comparable vehicles.

I think this is the beginning of Toyotas "Action Utility Wagon, similar to the new Hilux "Action Utility Vehicle", ie softened to the point of irrelevance in the real world.

I guess mums can still run the kids over to (at???) school, that's all that matters...
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 21:46

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 21:46
Hey Garry - do you drive a cruiser or just read about them in the mags and wish you had one Ive driven more cruisers than id care to remember and not just off road - well off road underground, open pits, exploration and Ive never seen a front diff bust - Is the new 4 wd monthly out yet I need a good laugh!!
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Follow Up By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 22:30

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 22:30
I have also been driving tojos for over 30 years and have had very few problems with any of them. However that didn't stop my 2003 T\D auto breaking its front diff as I climbed out of Palm Creek on the way home from the Cape with 4 tourists on board earlier this year. It had done 106 k klms relatively easy dirt road touring ks till then and was fixed under warranty. The diff, housing, CVs and both lower control arms were all replaced under warranty. Believe me they are nowhere near as tuff as they used to be, much more pleasant to drive tho..... when they are going. Cheers Rob
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 23:44

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 23:44
Rob - it seems the vast majority of complaints seem to be on the ifs side of things. I do believe however while everything is still Tojo tough that the difference now is there are alot more LEMONS Most ofthe utes on site go well but there is one that has had 24k spent in 12 months on it (but no front diff)
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Reply By: fatz - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 07:37

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 07:37
V8Diesel, Not the same front diff as the 80 series. The front diff in the 100 is the same as the rear Prado unit. I too have heard all the horror stories and have throwen everything at mine without any issues. I have done rocks, mud, sand and all in between. I have seen one busted centre in a solid axel 100 (I'm sure there are a few more) This happened when the guy was snatching another car backwards up a hill. He was reversing and as soon as the load cane on, bang, all over. In my opinion, they are fine as long as you dont do anything silly. There is an issue with the IFS 100 front diff and I think a lot of people have ":tarred them all with the same brush"
I am led to beleive that the 80 series diff will bolt straight in, but have not checked, and hope never to need to!

Mick
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 08:42

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 08:42
Thanks for that fatz. I avoided the IFS for a number of reasons and went the live axle. I've seen literally hundreds (1,000's maybe) of HZJ105's around all of WA and every gov't department uses them as do all the hire companies so they can't be all that bad. Having owned a GU for 4 years and doing a bundle of K's in it, I can quite safely say the Landcruiser 100 series is lightyears ahead in the comfort, handling, ergonomics, storage, braking and general 'usability' departments. If you need a well mannered vehicle that you can hop in and drive a thousand km's a day in, with the ability to also travel off-road where 95% of vehicles can go - From experience, I think the 100 is the go.

I'm happy with my choice. I'll get another 4 years out of it and see what is on the market then.
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 15:24

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 15:24
Unfortunately, the 100 front diff in the live axle version is thesame diff. The 80 had thesame problems but not as bad as the 100....the 100 diff centre is physically thesame size but with 43 teeth compared to the 80's 41. (The 100 runs 4.3 ratio /80 runs 4.1) so this means the teeth have to be smaller somehow to fit two extra on there at no increase in diameter. This adds to the low strength of ther 80 design, plus the weight increase and the torque increases of the 100 lineup motors and you have problems looming.
Ive heard of 100's getting bogged in sand and reversing was enough to blow the front diff....this is bad!
Its good that Toyota are so confident their cruisers will only need to go forward....hence the design that spreads the teeth appart when reversing....it all comes down to how you drive and how you use the 4b.....try snatching someone in reverse and your loading all 6 ports of the gun.....but it might just be trying to reverse out of a bog....or...anything
Now, ive heard something to the effect that Toyota have put a 4 pinion open centre in the 100 after 2000 to help minimise problems but cant confirm.
The rear Prado diff is thesame size as the 80/100/75 front, and the hilux aswell, but it is a LSD...which cant go in a 100 constant frontend....due to the lsd effecting steering.
Andrew
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 21:14

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 21:14
I believe the 79 and the live axle 100 have the same front diff and they have no worries underground where they are run 24/7 mostly 4wd and do more reversing including up declines flat chat in a week than most would do reversing out of their driveway in a year. Trust me if they were half as bad as Nissan owners, people who know a mate that knows a mate that heard..... or any other such stuff then they would have been found out comercially. and they havnt. They may not be a Nissan huge thing but they are not the ticking time bomb either
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 22:19

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 22:19
Exactly. Simply too many around in commercial applications, for too many years, to be as bad as some folks make out.
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 22:21

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 22:21
Driving 1970's Holden V8's with the M20 and M21 4 speed boxes teaches you to be a bit smoother on drivetrains too.
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Reply By: Sam from Weipa Auto Electrics - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 12:36

Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 12:36
I have a 2004 toyota landcruiser turbo diesel ute with 90k on it and have had it for 4 months and have blown a front diff in it going up a hill never had problems like this in my 75 series the new diff are to bloody small simple as that.
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