Paramount Camper trailers

Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 07:54
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I am in the market for a off road camper trailer after borrowing a mates for a trip to Innaminka. I am looking at the aluminium trailer from Paramount in SE Queensland. Has anyone any experience with this one? I am attracted to its resistance to rust as I want to do a bit of coastal work as well as inland touring. They are also talking about producing a stainless steel one - what are the relative merits of this vs aluminium? I would appreciate some advice.
Yabbo
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 09:00

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 09:00
Yabbo,
I was most interested in an aluminium camper myself and went to see a custom trailer maker about it . He told me that if I made a camper out of normal aluminium , it would be a disaster for off road use - it was not strong enough in the welds and if you bolted it , it was too soft and the holes elongated . He said you could do it out of the type aluminium they use on boats , but the cost then would be prohibitive .
It would probably be OK for touring on the blacktop though .
Cheers ,
Willie
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Follow Up By: ev700 - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 09:32

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 09:32
Willie
I visited Paramount on the Gold Coast and was told they are making them from a high grade of stainless steel. Maybe the alloy or SS are options. The maker also said he uses quality long springs and this sorts the vibration problems.

With aluminium for beach I would also be concerned about stray current and corrosion because it would be hard to isolate the black steel and the alloy.

I was previously keen to get a Trackabout, but all is on the backburner at present. It is easy to get recommendations for (say) Trackabout (strong units) or Customline (ok strength but cheap), but maybe Paramount is a bit new (?).

However I do not know enough about trailers to be a good judge.

EV700
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 09:25

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 09:25
Also the red outback dust when it gets wet really etches the aluminium, right through the anodising. This was on the window frames on a ute canopy after a few outback trips. Could never get the marks or stain off, really pitted it over a couple of months.
An untreated trailer would look crook really quickly.
Having seen what happens to alloy canopies and the like I'd agree with the comments about fatigue and hole elongation.
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Reply By: haryey18 - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 11:04

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 11:04
Hey yabbo good points and bad points on alloy compaired to steel trailers. ok ill start with alloy
1 alloy anodises on steel it needs to be seperated somehow from the steel chasis. most people seem to put rubber between the two. alloy and canvas are a terrable mix it seems that when canvas meets alloy it rubs dirty black marks and cant get it of. ok its light and wont rust but then you get all these other problems. ok with steel if your worried about the rust there are two ways to go about it. dura gal chasis and zinc anneal body the other is to get the whole trailer galvanized and then paint over the top make sure but when you paint over the top of gal you may need to get a good etch primer. im am to currently looking at the moment and these are all points that have been pointed out to me and i have researched these points and find in most cases these problem do occur two people who i have researched that use dura gal and zinc anneal are red rock campers and casuarina campers both build top quality campers i only just got back from looking at these companys and they were both happy to build what i wanted. so now im stuck to decide between 3 mobs casuarina red rock and southern cross all good imo. they all have a good mix of trailer and canvas. any1 care to help me decide please feel free to submit reply cheers
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Follow Up By: Robbo3 - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 15:37

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 15:37
Initial posting was about QLD companies I believe, however you asked the question.

IMO Southern Cross better than other 2 by far.

Red Rock canvas work I saw at the show was so bad that it was embarrassing. Casuarina only been around for a short while and product looks same as Outback and Tru Blu.

In fact I would see Outback (20 years in business) or Southern Cross. Another point is that Outback trailers (Vic) have great re-sale as they have the name over a number of years.

Robbo
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Reply By: Ted(Vic) - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 16:04

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 16:04
Aluminium sounds great for weight tyre wear and no rust issues. Salf however can corrode. Check the manufacturers isolate steel chassis from aluminium so aluminium wont corrode.

If I were going to use for light offroad or onroad, I recon it would be fine.

I notice some of the more expensive stuff like T-Van, Aussie Track & Trailer, Ultimate, Jurgens, Bush Runner are made from fibreglass. If coreectly constructed and supported fibreglass is second to none.

I am ever hopeful someone can make a fibreglass camper at reasonable cost.

Ted
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Follow Up By: Ted(Vic) - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 16:07

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 16:07
PS My vote would be Outback over Red Rock and Casuarine - seen them all Outback a class above these other ones. As pointed out this was a Qld query before it was hijacked.
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Follow Up By: Robbo3 - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 16:12

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 16:12
Agree - I rate fibreglass very highly and would like to hear if an affordable unit is available. The ones you mentioned are quite expensive.

I know with the cost of mounlds etc they are never cheap.

Rob
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Follow Up By: haryey18 - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 17:50

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 17:50
Ted and robbo i dont know when you last seen red rock or casuarina but i thought they were really good i know casuarina have only been in business for not long but they looked damn good to me. Outback were good to. if you could point out what you didnt like about red rock and casuarina i would much appreciate it thanks.also ted i didnt hijakk might have thought there might have been a dealer in queensland for those mobs. It is a open forum remember.
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Follow Up By: Ted(Vic) - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 20:27

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 20:27
haryey

Yeh it is an open forum and my opinion is clearly Southern Cross or Outback. If you are looking in same market as Casuarine and Red Rock look also at Simon Hird Canvas as they are basic and serviceable.

When did I see them last ? Two weeks ago at the Sandown Show. Before that I have been to Cas and RR Melb showrooms in last 3 months.

What is wrong with Casuarina and Red Rock. Probably not too much but Outback and Southern Cross are more refined. This usually comes from a lot of experience. ( former canvas blind manufactuere talking)

Further to another posting Red Rocks Canvas was shocking. Thin poor quality and sewing ordinary. Looks imported to me. They had some red canvas which would be bloody hot in the centre. Credit where it is due, their offraod independent suspensdion was great although expensive.

Casuarine. Went to see them as they were mentioned in every forum question re camper trailer with tel. number or web address quoted. (interesting) Looking at all options given my first choice camper was quoting 9 months wait.

Couldn't understand why so much fuss with only a handfull on the road (told 6). Found they were very similar in price and design as Outback & TruBlu. I'd rather deal with established companies where I know re-sale, as mentioned, and guaranteed back up will be forthcoming.
Also they send their canvas out and I'm biased about that.

A friend in blind business told me, a prominent Frankston businessman is ready for an all out assault with campers. Hiring canvas machinists and welders/fabricators. Great for us looking around and more pressure on the ever growing camper companies. I guess that is why I like established and some guys like Kis Campers will eventually fold.

IMO of course.

Good luch with your selection.

Ted
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Follow Up By: MYTTUF - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 22:06

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 22:06
Ted I chose Casuarina as I liked what I saw and the way they sold their product. I looked around and checked out all the forums (like people do) before using the web, phone and eyes to see them and now as I have purchased a camper (it is being built) I feel I can talk about my experience. As there were others in the 4WD club I belong to that are interested in getting a camper I added a section on the clubs forum so others could see the build up. I'm just a happy customer!
Jonesy

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Follow Up By: haryey18 - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2005 at 14:28

Wednesday, Oct 19, 2005 at 14:28
ted
red rock said they only used imported tops on there cheapest trailers.
i will look into that thankyou. I dont know who you spoke to at casuarina but i was quoted 6 weeks wait on my camper. simon hird were is he located
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Follow Up By: Ted(Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 19, 2005 at 16:43

Wednesday, Oct 19, 2005 at 16:43
Simon Heard is in Shepparton.

Red Rock is crazy using imported stuff as the backlash including this forum has been severe in the past.

My first choice was not Casuarina it was another Melb manufacturer. They are 9 months lead time for good reason, great value and quality.

I'm now looking at alternatives and most likely I will choose Outback, TruBlu or Southern Cross.

Hope that clarifies.

Ted
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Follow Up By: haryey18 - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 08:53

Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 08:53
cheers ted.
my choice is with now southerncross or casuarina IMO they do the best canvas work and i like there trailers. i will however be going to the show this weekend to check out whats around before i make a final decision thanks for all your help.
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Reply By: MartyB - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 16:04

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 16:04
I have recently bought an Aluminium trailer.
I didn't get to look at the Paramount but looked at the Thommos Trailer from Yandina. I liked the trailer but not their canvas. I ended up buying a trailer without canvas etc from Rods Engineering at Maroochydore. They manufacture the trailer for Thommos.
I am in the process in fitting it out, waiting on a Maryborough Canvas place to make the tent with the specs I want.
The trailer has a galvo chassis and Aluminium checker plate body. One option was a full aluminium chassis, I decided on the galvo to aviod any cracking problems. It has sigaflex between the aluminium & galvo.
One big advantage of the aluminium is weight. You only have 750kg before you have to have brakes fitted. I would bet there are a lot of trailers out there that are over 750kg when full loaded without brakes. These are not raodworthy and could cause insurance problems in an accident. Also lighter weight will make a big difference when towing on sand. Stainless would not have these weight advantages.
Early days yet but I am happy so far.
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Reply By: loughma - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 22:04

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 22:04
MartyB
What can you tell me about this trailer maker... Rod's Engineering
Are you happy with your trailer?
What was the cost?
Does this trailer-maker offer customizing with design?
And do they offer indepentent suspension?
Alot of questions I know but I'm very interested.
Do you have their contact details?
Regards Loughma
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 13:58

Thursday, Oct 20, 2005 at 13:58
Yabbo , I have a Pacific all alloy , custom built by Danny at Logan Village ,, they use all marine grade ally , main advantage is weight saving for size ,nil rust ,also any and all modifications are easier on ally than on steel as no regalvanising or painting required ,,,check the latest copy ofcampertrailer guide page 75 or www.pacificcampers.com.au.
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Reply By: Yabbo - Friday, Oct 21, 2005 at 13:32

Friday, Oct 21, 2005 at 13:32
This has been the first time that I have posted a question on this forum and I am overwhelmed by the response. It is a fantastic way to tap into the combined wisdom and experience of this community. Thank you all for the asistance. I have come off the idea of an aluminium trailer and following all the leads posted here about other options I think the best value looks like a Customline.
Cheers
Yabbo
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