engle 40 liter fridge problem
Submitted: Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 06:54
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robert4841
good day everyone, i have a 40 liter engle fridge that is about 5 years old and was purchased new and used little but regularly. this fridge has only been used with
battery power and never connected via AC power. this model is the old model without digital readout, typical turn knob. the fridge has been sitting unused for about 1 1/2 to 2 years.the fridge has always worked perfect before. the problems i'm having is that it won't cool
well in the highest setting. example in 29C ambient goes down to 6 C rather quickly but won't go any lower. yesterday i tried it again same ambient temp and only cooled down to 10 C. the compressor runs and sounds good but will not get any colder.i live overseas where there is no engle dealer.
perhaps someone could give me some idea of what a fridge tech should look for. any help will be appreciated. thank you. cheers, robert
Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 07:21
Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 07:21
Sounds like it might need re-gassing mate.
I have the same model Engel and it lives in the 4by and runs 24/7/365.....never a problem. I'm a great believer that fridges don't like being left unused for long periods of time. Seals dry out and loss of refridgerent can be the result.......same reason you should run your car air conditioner regularly even if you don't need to.
Hope this helps....good luck with it.
Cheers,
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 08:33
Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 08:33
Yup - I run
mine 24/7/365 too - even though it has nothing in it sometimes. Cheap as chips to run in terms of electrickery used. Never had a failure - ever.
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 10:40
Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 10:40
Erroneous belief roachie...sealed systems do not have seals ......thats why they are called "hermetically sealed"
your domestic fridge, freezer, airconditioner, Waeco, Engel, Trailblaza (and copies) together with even that power hungry Reefer are hermetically sealed systems.
Automotive airconditioning systems do not have seals that "dry out"...rather they need lubrication to ensure that that dont wear prematurely which requires one to operate at a regular frequency.
in fact ...shaft seals should leak a miniscule amount of oil to ensure that all of seal surface in contact with the shaft is "wet"...(film surface tension).... due to poor manufacturing tolerances the seal may be inadequately lubricated causing premature wear or become too "wet" the latter of which dampens the film surface tension ability to prevent the high pressure refrigerant from also passing through the shaft seal...
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 18:07
Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 18:07
Thanks for that Nudie....I sort of understand what you're saying. I certainly don't know much about fridges (best thing I know is how to open and get beer out!!heheheh)
Do you think there is any merit in running the fridge full time for any other reason? What I mean is, even theough there are no seals to dry out etc, could it be that this bloke's fridge is playing up cos it's been sitting idle to too long?
Cheers mate
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 21:05
Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 21:05
yes there may be merit ...but a lot of info is required to assess such merit...and it must be accurate...
so i take
mine out of the car after each trip and store in shed...till next time.....
about 1 month b4 next time i test to make sure all is ok!
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Reply By: Nudenut - Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 10:49
Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 10:49
could be several problems
thermostat
short of gas.
controller for compressor
blockage in refrigerant circuit
Others to numerous to mention
a good fridgie should be able to assist with the gas charge, thermostat and or blockage..
where are you not to have an agent?
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Follow Up By: robert4841 - Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 13:27
Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 13:27
nudenut, i live in uruguay, south america and we don't have any engle or for that matter any portable fridge vendors other than perhaps a cheap chinese model thats draws many amps and does not cool in extreme conditions. please tell me if the system is hermetic, how does the gas escape? or is this just the compressor that is hermetic? if there is a leak does it need a special seal or are the seals rather generic? thanks to everyone for the help. regards, robert
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 21:15
Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 21:15
the total system is hermeticaly sealed...so if a leak is the cause then it must be found and repaired....
engels have an aluminum evaporator (same as domestic fridge) which is thin and susceptable to damage whcih may puncture the skin tubing... if this is the case a new evaporator is required.
other tubing joints are also brazed and any one can be a cause of a leak!
reccomend you get a qualified fridgie to look at it.
the electronic side of the equation will however most likeley be outside his his scope.
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Follow Up By: MichaelR - Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 23:50
Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 23:50
I'm interested in why you say the Reefer is power hungry. I am interested in the 47 litre model which has a Danfross compressor and 50mm insulation. Just not sure why it would use a lot of power. Thanks
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 11:12
Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 11:12
Should be more carefull in what I say....
the 240v compressor models are the power hungry ones...
the ones with the danfoss compressor should be ok
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Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 16:38
Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 16:38
NudeNut, can you please explain why you believe the NEW REEFER fridge is in your own words:
"Should be more carefull in what I say.... the 240v compressor models are the power hungry ones... "
Have you tested the amp usage yourself ? ?
or
seen tests results on the NEW REEFER fridge ? ?
I'm wondering how you can state in all honesty that you believe the NEW REEFER fridge is "power hungry" when you can't show any link to test results on the NEW REEFER fridge .. even when asked.
The NEW REEFER does not use an inverter as in the Liemack.
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Reply By: Member Steve & Lorraine Mc - Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 11:57
Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 11:57
Hi Robert Try the fridge on A/C check your voltage could be different where you live, if it cools right down, look at your battery . Ive had Engels running that wont pull down & everytime its been the battery with just enough charge to tick them over .
Cheers Steve
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Reply By: joc45 - Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 12:29
Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 12:29
Hi Robert.
Engels are designed to run at one frequency (50Hz in Australia, but I think they also make 60Hz versions). If the mains frequency is not within a couple of Hz either side, the compressor will not run correctly. Might pay to check that the Engel is designed for your mains frequency. On the spec label, it should show what mains frequency it is intended to work on.
Try running it off 12v to see it it will pull down to the correct temp ok. If it doesn't do it on 12v either, then you most likely have a gas problem.
Regardless of whether Engel is represented in your country, they are not complex, and a local refrig technician should be able to (a) find out why it has lost gas, and (b) recharge the gas.
Good luck,
Gerry
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Follow Up By: Nick - Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 19:10
Saturday, Oct 22, 2005 at 19:10
He said he only uses 12v
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Follow Up By: robert4841 - Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 10:20
Sunday, Oct 23, 2005 at 10:20
thanks everyone for your great input. the problem has been solved and many of relayed the answer----BATTERY PROBLEM. i have a jeep that has 2 delco 140 amp batteries running in parallel and a top of the battery in the rear which has quick connects which were loose. the reason i did'nt realize this is we use the battery for spotlighting and hunting at night and never had a problem. another thing hard to believe is a friend of
mine has a LIEMACKfridge that is about 6 years old and unbelievably it worked
well in the jeep the other day. perhaps in some rough roads the terminal loosened and that was the problem. when i went to the fridge tech he alerted me to the problem but said he could'nt fix it if it needed gas because he only has the old gas, no 134 refridgerent. once again appreciate all the help. this is a great
forum. for the last 5 years we have been spending a month in OZ this is how got to know about this
forum. cheers, robert
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