Numbering Waypoints in a GPS - any clever methods ?

Submitted: Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 08:35
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Are there any of you guys or gals who have figured out a system for numbering your way points with the addition of letters which actually tell you something about the waypoint .
For instance do some of you at a crossroads , give the way point number and then TW for turn west or do you have a better way ??
I have 400 plain numbers in my GPS which tell me nothing . I am thinking of re-doing them all - that's what retired old farts do in their spare time !
Thanks ,
Willie .
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Reply By: Peter - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 08:55

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 08:55
Willie,
Use Oziexplorer to upload your waypoints. Depending on the GPS you can use from up to 8 alpha-numeric characters to name them. You should also be able to amend the names from within the GPS itself. The numbers are normally only used when the waypoint is created by the GPS (i.e. holding down the Mark or Enter key).
I have a Garmin E Map and it allows me to amend both the waypoint name and symbol.
If you create a route you shouldn't need the TW etc as the direction to travel arrow guide should indicate to you which way you are required to proceed from that waypoint.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 09:18

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 09:18
But Peter , what if I , or a friend using my waypoints , is travelling in a different direction . He would get to one and wonder which way to go .
But if I renamed all my waypoint numbers by adding TW orTW or TN and maybe XX for destination to the number, it should help - what do you think ?
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Peter - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 14:05

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 14:05
Willie,
Yep I understand and I actually do use Oziexplorer and put all those types of notes into it and then print out a copy as a backup to the GPS.
If you create a route it's much easier but by the same token the GPS will point to the selected waypoint therefore showing the direction to travel regardless of how that point is approached. All GPS have different ways of doing the same thing so I'm not sure how your system would indicate the direction to travel.
Whatever system best suits you is the one to use - it's your GPS and so long as you understand your system it doesn't really matter to anyone else.
Good luck with it - they're a great little invention and I wouldn't be without mine for a minute
Peter
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Reply By: Member - Jay Gee (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 09:03

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 09:03
Don't worry about it. It takes too long to go thru all the buttons needed to create a name. And it's not safe to enter text while you're driving. Accept what the GPS gives you and drive on. Then when you get home - download them with something like OziExplorer that has mapping capabilities - browse the map and re-name the waypoints in the comfort of home.

If you have a navigator co-driver, keep a notebook, and every time you mark a new waypoint - ask them to write down some details to use later - example "waypoint 126 - bend in road next old plane wreck". These notes will help you remember things later.

If you haven't got someone to take notes - get a cheap tape recorder so that you can record your notes along the way.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 09:40

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 09:40
JG ,
I have a log book for my last three journeys to the Pilbara and the deserts , but to have to consult them constently is a pain . I need a better system which tells me something when I look at the WP code and number .

An embarrassing situation occurred last time I was in the Rudall NP. A guy I met at DQ Baths wanted to know where the CSR bore was on the road north . No problem said I proudly , I have it marked on my GPS .
But to my dismay , I had about four GPS marks in that area showing me different info and I could not tell him which was the turn-off because I could not remember where I had put that log book - I felt a real dummy . Luckily it is well signposted for him .

It is OK for me when I am travelling , because when I actually arrive at an old mark , it is obviouse what it is , but I need a better system giving me extra info now - not just a number . But to try and abbreviate words to fit in is also to difficult although at the actual bore I could have has CRABORE , but not at the turn-off ( though in this case they are only 100m apart so it would not have mattered )

When I started designing and selling fishing rods , it seemed stupid to me that the model number meant nothing , so I devised a system of numbering that would be able to be read and understood by all our salemen and customers . Instead of XYZ - 1498 we used XYZ-661 or 662 which meant 6'6" one piece or two piece so that no matter what length the rod or how many pieces , you new by just looking at the model number what it was . It seems so bloody simple and now a lot of companies in the industry have used the same method .

I need to build that sort of code to add to my waypoint numbers .

Thanks ,

Willie
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Follow Up By: Member - Jay Gee (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 10:57

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 10:57
OK Willie - that's fair enough. I guess it doesn't matter if you name them straight away - or name them back home - you still need to have a naming convention.

I would suggest you a "prefix-number" system. Use the prefix to define "types" of waypoints, and the number to identify it as a uniqiue waypoint of that type.

For instance, for prefixes:
BORE = bore
PB = Parking bay
XTW = intersection, turn left
XTE = intersection, turn left

Then you may have 3 waypoints very close to each other such as:
BORE01, XTW04, XTE02
You should then be able to easily identify which waypoint is which by looking at the prefix

But whatever you come up with, needs to be easily understood by you. Don't worry about a standard. It would be hard to get everyone agree to a standard. If you give out a waypoint list to anyone, just include a "key" to explain what each prefix means.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 11:24

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 11:24
That should have rad CRA bore -
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 11:31

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 11:31
JG ,
That is good except that the number would have to go first I think , or the GPS would not store them in order - my wife says I'm anal retentive , obsessive compulsive , so order means a lot to me !
X for intersection or Y for splitting roads or T for T intersection would be great - now where getting somewhere .
So it could be :
44 TNE - WP Number 44 , T intersection , go North East .
That is perfect , thanks for your help .
Bugger , what am I going to do if there is more than 4 incoming roads !
Cheers ,
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Member - Jay Gee (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 12:13

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 12:13
Very good Willie. I personally not worried about the order they are stored in. But my preference doesn't matter - it is your system that you are developing - and what really matters is that the system suits YOU.

Happy re-naming!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Tessysdad - Wednesday, Oct 26, 2005 at 01:02

Wednesday, Oct 26, 2005 at 01:02
Hi Willie,
My Magellan GPS has the capacity to create a message which is attached to each waypoint that is created. This way when you are browsing through the database of waypoints you have saved any comments you have included show up in the message box at the botom of the screen, and its not as limited in terms of the number of characters available for use. This may be the sort of thing you were looking for - or not. Keep playing with, you never know what you will learn.
Happy camping,
Mike.
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 10:29

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 10:29
Willie, I am not sure of you mean the ones you actually mark on the location or the ones you put in at home before you go.

When we were planning the Simpson, I put all the Wpts in and called them simply SIM1, SIM2 etc, then set up a track in the GPS to link them all together, so the GPS would tell you where to go next and which way.

Then I marked the wpts on the map also, just with numbers as the map is the Simmo one.

If you use the TR, TL, PSA thing then wanted to backtrack, or use the wpts in a different order, you would get very confused I reckon, at least I would, hence building a track with the wpts would be the way I go.

For my wpts I try and use 3 digits to tell where I am, e.g. SIM then a 2 digit number. I reckon you're onto a good thing tho just not sure what the cleverest answer is.

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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 10:41

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 10:41
Hi Bonz ,
The marks I put in are actually ones I have made at the location - in case I or a friend may want to come this way again . I am not a local in WA and I go on Tagalong trips to remote areas . So Iam costantly marking waypoints for future use .
I would never mark a waypoint 44TL or 44TR because , as you say , one day you might be travelling in the other direction . But I reckon 44TW or 44TNE might be the go . What do you reckon ?
Your system of marking waypoints onto the GPS before leaving is a good one . I have been looking at areas we are going to next June on Google Earth and have marked a few waypoints into my Great Desert Tracks Magellan software to do the same .
For the numbers , I want to keep using the auto assigned number which the GPS gives me . That way I always know what numbers have already been used .
Thanks for your help ,
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 14:19

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 14:19
I still reckon the directions would get me confused. I have shied away from using the GPS auto numbers rather wanted something meaningful rather than just a number, and so not having a mapping GPS origially I wanted to wpt towns etc. Doing x-roads etc would add to the complexity and if you were going to follow the route again same way then using the direction would be a good idea.
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Reply By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 12:24

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 12:24
Willie,
I don't know which G.P.S. you use, but I use the Magellan gold and I have the facility to add a message to any waypoint so that as soon as it is stored as a no. example 12,13.14.etc. If I wre on the Canning Stock Route Iwould change thes to say C.S.R.12 C.S.R.13 C.S.R.14 and also add a message where necessary like C.S.R.12 waterbore to east.These then would all be listed on your database and it is a simple task to select and press enter to recall a waypoint for any area that you have named.Ido a lot of pig shooting and bush travel and use this method which works fine.Hope this helps---cheers!
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 12:52

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 12:52
Hi "Rambler",
I use an FX324 MAP Colour which they have now discontinued .I am not sure until I check whether it can add a message as your Gold one can . When you add that message , does it show up on the GPS screen ? If it did , woudn't it get very hard to read if you had say five waypoints close together ?
I am a numb nut with hi-tech stuff , so be gentle with me !
Thanks ,
Willie .
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Reply By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 19:05

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 19:05
Hi Willie,
No its not a problem with the messages as each message only appears in a window at the bottom of the screen as the selected waypoint is highlighted.So it only shows the message prtaining to the waypoint that is highlighted.Sounds complicated but is very simple to use once you get the hang of it.As Isay it may be a bit different on your G.P.S.but all seem to have a similar function.e.g.
C.S.R.12(highlighted)
C.S.R.13
C.S.R.14
waterbore to the east

Hope this helps-----remember we all learn a bit at a time
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 22:26

Tuesday, Oct 25, 2005 at 22:26
Rambler ,
I appreciate your help . I could not do it today , but tomorrow I am going to set it up in the car and try what you have told me .
Thanks a lot ,
Willie .
PS nice barra at Karrumba !
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