Box trailer... need opinions
Submitted: Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 21:18
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ShnogDog
Just about to part with some dough on a box trailer. Should be pretty simple right?
Well I've gotten stuck at this point trying to decide whether or not it is worth spending extra to get one built to a 4.5 ft width instead of the standard 4 or 5 ft width. I have this idea that ideally it will be better for the
wheels on the trailer to run in the same track as the 4B's tyres. No doubt in sand or Mud it probably will be.
If I do go
camping with that much gear to warrant the trailer, it will mean the family is with me. Which will more often than not mean a trip up to Fraser or Teewah, which then means, the run up and back will be on low tide, which means not much soft sand. Nothing hard core. So is it worth an extra $700 ???
Other times it will be relegated to garden duties.
If I go with the standard size, it will most likely be a Heavy Duty 5x7 with shackle springs, with the axle mounted above
the springs and 16"
wheels, so clearance should be reasonable. I am leaning toward this option rather than the custom size, but would hate to find myself regreting it later on.
Would appreciate opinions from those in the know...
Cheers
Reply By: MartyB - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 22:11
Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 22:11
I don't know what type of 4wd you have, but check your measurements. Most camper trailers are 4 ft wide to track the same as the 4wd.
from Marty.
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Follow Up By: ShnogDog - Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 22:15
Thursday, Oct 27, 2005 at 22:15
Thanks Marty, will check it out.
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Follow Up By: Member - John C (QLD) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 07:56
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 07:56
Just going through the exercise of
buying a camper trailer.
7x4 box wheel centres is about the same as my Pajero, or for that matter a Prado.
Checked the dimensions on my brother in laws 80 series, and his
wheels are about 200m wider.
Pajero - 1836 outside to outside (235/85/16)
80 series - 2026 outisde to outside (265/75/16)
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Reply By: vuduguru - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 05:49
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 05:49
Hi ShnogDog,
I'm in a similar situation. 4 kids, lots of
camping. Have owned a number of trailers over the years. Currently 7x5 HD Gal, H bars, 14in Holden
wheels (had a commodore when I bought it), slipper springs (knew no better). 5 years old no rust and as new(ish).
Pro's of this size :- can see it in the mirrors of the Cruiser, track is similar to LC can fit a 12 ft Tinnie on the H bars. Towed it into Bendethra a couple of weeks ago. Eldest daughter brought boyfriend. 6 passengers, FULLY loaded.
Cons :- Bumped the draw bar on some of the erosion control humps nothing major. Often bump the towbar anyway (Std springs etc.). Clearance under the trailer is rarely a problem.
Couple of things to consider. Have the hitch mounting plate attached to the bottom of drawer bar (better clearence for draw bar, jockey wheel is usually most vulnerable). A Highland hitch or similar would be a good idea for Off Road. And get it galvanised - a must IMO. Have lost a few trailers to cancer over the years.
I have to say I love trailers, don't know why, basic, simple functionality perhaps.
Currently I am dreaming of building my own using Unistrut. Why? I have a 17 boat, a 12 boat and a box trailer. 3 trailers! And I would like a chassis that I can build on and alter to suit. Eg boatrollers for the 12ft'er. Pull the boat off, bolt a floor on, bolt on a box, kitchen etc. You get the idea.
Good luck with your decision
Shane
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Follow Up By: ShnogDog - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:32
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:32
Thankyou Shane, the option to carry a Tinnie is not one I had actually thought about, but is very much something that would be on the cards later on down the track. I also agree with Galvanising. I used to work in Waste management and have seen how the Galv industrial
bins have outlasted the regular steel ones, so that is on the list. Many thanks for your input.
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Reply By: Member - TonyG (Qld) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 07:08
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 07:08
Hi,
No matter which way you go, you are looking at spending more money than you want, but if you dont spend the extra know on the minimum specs, you will be really peaved later.
I ended up doing the following:
-Got a heavy duty trailer build and used for
camping for 2 years
-Made sure I got an off road coupling
-Made sure that the track width was same as car
-Went for 4x4 size tyre with extra clearance
-Made sure it was galv so I could use on sand
Then earlier this year, when I could afford it, I put a tent on top. Best thing I ever did as far as family
camping holiday is concerned.
My recommendation is try to figure out what you will use the trailer for in 2yrs time, and build to that spec.
I have photo's of trailer in my profile.
Hope this helps
Thanks
TonyG
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Follow Up By: ShnogDog - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:43
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:43
Thanks Tony, your MUST list looks exactly like what I had in mind from the start. I'm starting to sway back to my original thought of getting one built to spec and parting with the extra $$$ early. The old sentiment of "Do it right the first time" is echoing loudly through all the responses I've seen. Will take all that on board, Many thanks.
I was actually a little reluctant to post this question because I was thinking it might be a bit of a stupid question. Is good to see that it is actually quite valid and that others have faced the same situation.
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Reply By: Bob of KAOS - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 07:23
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 07:23
SD
I reckon you either go with the cheapest option, or go to a proper off road trailer. A compromise in between will just mean wasted money, and leave you still dissatisfied with its limitations. Unless it is an offroad trailer, the overall construction won't handle rough stuff, the
suspension will fall apart (literally), and people will point at you and laugh.
The full version will have the same
wheels and tyres as the tow vehicle, hubs adapted from the tow vehicle, and heavy duty draw bar and tow hitch.
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Follow Up By: ShnogDog - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:46
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:46
"and people will point at you and laugh."
LMAO.. now that has to be the most convincing reason I've heard to get one built... I have the image of a busted half arsed trailer in the middle of a 1 lane track on Fraser... with 20+ vehicles trying to get to the barge which leaves in 15mins... I get your point.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jiarna (NT) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 18:15
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 18:15
My box trailer turned cartwheels on the
Oodnadatta Track a couple of years back when we were moving to
Oodnadatta. It was a tradesman trailer, but not heavy enough construction, and those horrible slipper springs. The drawbar snapped off with inevitable and quite spectatcular results! I still have the trailer, but it now has a reinforced drawbar and frame, as
well as Landcruiser leaf springs and shackles. It has now done over 25,000 km without problems since my mods, and recently passed its rego inspection for NT.
The point of my ramble? Make sure it is robust enough to do the worst that you plan to ask of it. Then you will enjoy it rather than regret it in the middle of nowhere, or even worse, in the middle of a laughing crowd!!
Cheers
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Reply By: traveller2 - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 08:45
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 08:45
Agree with Tony g's list but MUST add proper eye to eye leaf springs, no slippers, which will eventually break under rough road usage.
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Follow Up By: ShnogDog - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:38
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:38
Cheers, will make a point to check the specs on
the springs and request eye to eye.. thanks
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Follow Up By: Member - TonyG (Qld) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 14:48
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 14:48
Hi Traveller2,
I agree totally with the eye to eye springs, I got them, but forgot to mention on the list of must haves.
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Reply By: cuffs - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 09:31
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 09:31
I have recently had built, an off-road 7x4 box trailer, with two Jerry can holders one in each front corner, heavy duty leaf springs Treg coupling and fitted cover. The tracking is the same as the tow vehicle, same tyres and rims, meaning extra spares.
All other Off-road trailers did not travel in the track of the X-Trail. The trailer is always packed, including fire wood, Friday night, throw clothes, dog and fridge into the back of the X-Trail, hook up trailer and AWAY.
Keeps all the
camping gear together, without having to remember what gear to pack, then trailer is used about every 3 months for garden duties.
Good Luck, I remember trying to make your decision but it was worth the money.
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Reply By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:58
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:58
Add shock absorbers to your list.
Also, have a good think about things like gerrycan holders and gas bottle holders etc. Get them put on at build time so they get galvanised too. Adding accesories after the fact requires welding, which destroys the galvanising (:--~
Cheers...........
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Reply By: flappa - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:59
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 11:59
Just something for consideration.
Lets say for example , you part with say . . $2500 - $3000 for a good offroad trailer.
Are you REALLY going to want to use it as general garden duties ? Filled up with crap , with the potential for Rust ?
I have had my HD Box trailer , 7x5 , for nearly 12 years. Been used as Gokart transport, trailer for
camping , and Garden Trailer. Cost me about $800. It has been through HELL , including some
camping trips I wouldn't even take my CT through . . .
Other then a flat tyre , nothing.
Now, I WOULDN'T recommend that one of these would take the place of a PROPER offroad trailer , thats not my point , but rather , think about what you are going to do with your trailer. You might find its better to end up with 2.
One now that will mostly do the job , then Budget for the Biggest and Best , and relegate this one to Garden duties in a few years time.
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Follow Up By: ShnogDog - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 12:16
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 12:16
Fair food for thought... damn... and I thought this one would be an easy one...
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Follow Up By: Member - TonyG (Qld) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 15:05
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 15:05
Hi Flappa,
Only my opinion, but when I was going through this same dilema, I thought, do I spend say $650 know on a "All Purpose" on road trailer, and save for dearer $2400 trailer, or do I put the $650 towards a better built trailer straight away.
I thought going for the cheaper trailer at the start meant I would not have things like jerry can holders, gas holders, toolbox to carry spares and recovery gear etc.
Around the same time, I spoke to 2 people in the 4x4 club I was with, and they told me they went down this path, and regretted it, as there 1st trailer did not have the "Must Haves".
This convinced me to delay getting a trailer until I could afford the 4x4 trailer, and in hindsight, I am glad I went with this decision.
But have said that, there is no right or wrong answer, just each persons opinion of what is right for them.
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Follow Up By: flappa - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 15:21
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 15:21
Yeah, but what ARE . . . the must haves ?
I spent 8 years successfully towing my trailer around without anything on it , so I dont believe they ARE must haves , just , very nice to haves.
But, thats what I mean about , working out what you are doing with it.
If it spends every other weekend offroad and
camping , heck yeah , its absolutely worth it, but, if it only spends a couple of times a year , and most of that on the road , . . . why ?
Essentially , it becomes a $2500 garden trailer.
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Follow Up By: Member - TonyG (Qld) - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 19:24
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 19:24
Hi flappa,
You make a good point
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Follow Up By: ShnogDog - Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 23:41
Friday, Oct 28, 2005 at 23:41
Yes Flappa you are dead right... I dont really want th worlds most expensive garden trailer...
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Reply By: traveller2 - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 08:22
Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 08:22
After towing a modified Cub Campomatic/Supamatic (we swapped the smaller one for a bigger one as the family increased in size) all over Oz (everwhere except the CSR) since the early eighties till the present with NO breakages and also leading club trips with campers over tracks which included the Anne Beadell, Simpson etc I feel that of the trailers built these days are way too heavy.
We've always carried the weighty stuff (fuel,
water, food etc) in the vehicle as they are ususally more capable of carrying a load in rough country. The camper is only used to carry bedding, clothes and
camping gear.
Our campers have been modified with a ring coupling, shock absorbers, a central piece of 75 x 50 x 3mm RHS from the front to rear, reinforcing of the spring to chassis mounts and a 10mm piece of round bar to truss the drawbar.
No fancy
suspension, 14" Holden
wheels with LT 8 ply radials as fitted to Hi Ace's etc. I have never broken a spring on our trailer which has eye to eye springs but have had others in the group with slippers break the front eye out.
All up our trailer weighs less then 500kg's loaded, can be manouvered by hand.
No brakes, no
water tanks, gas bottles etc, the only thing carried on the outside of the camper is aspare on the drawbar and a spare leaf spring which has never been used.
We are a family of five and with a diesel troopy would travel for at least 3 months every year plus all the weekend trips at least once a month so the campers got plenty of use.
My personal opinion is that if you have to have ahuge trailer to carry all the gear then you have the wrong vehicle for the job.
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