GU 3.0lt boost

Submitted: Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 23:43
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had the car on the dyno today with interesting/scary results.
Measuring the turbo's boost after the intercooler, it peaked at 25psi - ouch
Changed mass airflow sensor and it immeadiately returned to the normal 15psi.
Also kilowatts were only 100, where did the other 16 go?
Why doesn't the engine realise that the sensor is stuffed and go into limp home mode, instead of letting the turbo self detonate. I wonder how long i've been driving with boosts that high?
I'm now in the process of installing a boost gauge on my dash with a spare sensor kept in the glove box.
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 23:52

Monday, Oct 31, 2005 at 23:52
Goons,

The dyno that was used, did it allow for outside temperature and the humidity? That will effect the results of the test.
I have only seen one and it was set up to do all 4 wheels and made allowance for the temp and humidity.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: Goons - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 00:05

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 00:05
Wayne

No it wasn't the "perfect conditions" that nissan perform their tests for their specs.
plus bonnet was up so no air was going through intercooler.
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Reply By: muzzgit (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 02:37

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 02:37
I am again having a little trouble with my 3.0 Patrol, in that sometimes it won't power along like it should. The last time I had this problem I took it to Nissan who said there was nothing wrong with it.

As it got progressively worse, to the point that the engine would get to 2000 RPM and then struggle to go any better, I replaced the air mass sensor with instant success. That was several months ago.

Now it's doing it again, only it gets to about 2300 RPM then the revs reduce to about 2100, then it takes off as normal. It's as if I'm taking my foot off the pedal for a second. This time I'll try giving the AMS a spray with contact cleaner and see what happens. I'm not keen on the idea of getting a new one of these thingo's every 12 months, at $250 a pop it's a bit of a joke if I'm supposed to keep a spare in the glovebox.
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Follow Up By: Sky Pilot - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 07:14

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 07:14
Have you got a standard paper air filter or one of the oiled sponge variety? If the sensor is downstream of the air filter and it picks up any oil, it will stuff up quickly.
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Follow Up By: 3.0turbob - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 07:51

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 07:51
Agree with Sky Pilot.
I think it has a lot to do with the air cleaner element. I notice that the Nissan service shedule says to change the filter element every 40,000 K's, or more frequently in dusty conditions. However I've noticed that the filter element gets very dirty, very quickly. This would restrict the airflow, causing the airflow sensor to detect lack of air and give "false readings" to the ECU..... My theory anyway.... Therefore I check my Filter element regularly and I'd change it 3 to 4 times a year. At around $30 from Nissan, it's not too much to ensure clean air flow to the engine.

Rob
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Follow Up By: hl - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 09:48

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 09:48
Hi,
I don'r know why you say it would give "false readings". If it measures less airflow and passes that on to the ECU, you would get less fueling and therefore less power, that would be my theory.
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Follow Up By: 3.0turbob - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 12:29

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 12:29
Indeed;
So why is the turbo overboosting? seeing it spins off the exhaust gasses,
less power, less boost. Perhaps the vanes (variable vanes) are sticking?......................... Enter someone more knowledgable.
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Reply By: Goons - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 11:48

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 11:48
I've got the gen nissan filter. My problem was not lack of power but a turbo spinning out of control. The boost was up to 25psi but it wasn't getting any extra fuel - which is lucky cos it would have gone BOOM.
Your right Muzzgit, we shouldn't have to change them every 12 months.
I'll be taking the cheaper option of changing my filter more often, but i'm still gunna keep a spare sensor.
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 12:05

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 12:05
Quote: "Also kilowatts were only 100, where did the other 16 go?"

The Nissan figure quoted of 116kw is (as I understand it) measured at the flywheel. The dyno figure is obviously measured at the back wheels and I would say that from my limited knowledge of these things, that 100kw on the dyno was pretty bloody good.

When I had my 4.2 TD tuned and dyno'd in Adelaide a couple of years ago, it measured 91kw and the bloke said that was one of the best GU's he'd seen as far as output is concerned.

Hope this helps

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 13:39

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 13:39
was that before or after the exhaust was fitted Bill please?
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 13:43

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 13:43
Afterwards John........Going to Berry tomorrow for a turbo changeover; new Schwitzer unit and I think they might dyno-it again after that too. Will post my results tomorrow night (all going well......it's a 4 hour drive each way).
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Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 16:28

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 16:28
Roachie, I know all dyno's are different, but mine was 120 kW after being tuned etc at MTQ in Toowoomba. Turbo and exhaust, boost to 12psi
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 16:29

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 16:29
Forgot to add, as soon as bonnet scopp fitted, will dyno again and see what difference AWilll4x4 intercooler has made.
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 22:10

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 22:10
30% drive line loss as a rule of thumb.

Where were the figures taken from?, Fly wheel you have lost power, rear wheels you have gained power.
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 00:27

Wednesday, Nov 02, 2005 at 00:27
Hi John, and all the other T/D owners.

While we are discussing Turbo KW's and Intercoolers. Just wanted to put some food for thought out there. I spoke to a Top Turbo mechanic, he used to do the Motors on the Nissan Rex Skylines for racing in the sports car class, and he mentioned a pretty relevant point to me when I had my T/D Bravo. Scoops etc only work if the vehicle is moving, as it needs airflow over the thing to get any benefit worth talking about. This is pretty deflating if you think about it. In your T/Deisels you are working there way through hills or sandy area's in low range and just where you need the horses to be at max you are usually travelling to slow to have any amount of cool air flowing across the intercooler. (of course it probably hot enough to cook a roast under the bonnet anyway,)

Most hotrod clubs when testing for most power stick dry ice on the intercooler and have a fan blowing over it when they are on the Dyno, as it bangs out bigger ponies. I had a small 12volt fan fitted to my cooler just for this reason, seemed a lot better to spend the money here than on a scoop, which only worked down the highway at above 40kph.

Might have been blind faith by me, but seemed to make sense.

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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 23:25

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005 at 23:25
Your complaint is not uncommon, or should I say, has been noted before...

PS. I want one.
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Reply By: fourstall2000 - Thursday, Nov 03, 2005 at 09:41

Thursday, Nov 03, 2005 at 09:41
I wonder has anyone thought of fitting a 12 volt fan over the intercooler for low speed work?
If so details would be appreciated.
Regards
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Follow Up By: Goons - Thursday, Nov 03, 2005 at 12:03

Thursday, Nov 03, 2005 at 12:03
Fan probably wouldn't fit on 3.0 lt top mounted cooler & would retard airflow when cruising. Not that either would make a huge difference.
There was a post a few weeks ago about the 3.0lt scoop pushing hot air out of the engine bay instead of cool air into it......
I placed 4 bits of elecy tape on my scoop with 2inches flapping to see & at 20kmph they were pushed into the scoop. Thats even with 2 rally 4000's on top of bullbar disrupting airflow. mythbusted
PS....truckster, xmas is coming, ask nicely and you might get one!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Hugh (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 15:30

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 15:30
From memory, the GU 2.8 t/d has a fan under the intercooler for this purpose. I don't know why this wasn't carried forward to 3.0.

Hugh
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Reply By: prado_95 - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 23:50

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 23:50
Many VGT turbo's suffer from the excessie boost issue, but most drivers aren't aware of the fact.

Thats is, Oiling the MAF from the filter is common also on petrol engines with oiled filters.

dave
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