Stradbroke Island - Possible 4WD Restrictions

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U of Q researchers have surmised that the thousands of 4WDs on Straddie have reduced ghost crab numbers on some beaches.

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Courier Mail today
"Mr Moss said ghost crabs were scavengers that cleaned up beaches and in turn were eaten by birds and fish. A marked decrease in numbers could be an indication of an environmental imbalance and it was reasonable to assume similar impacts at places such as Fraser Island.

The researchers found cumulative impacts of 20 to 50 vehicle passes a night was enough to markedly reduce numbers.

Stradbroke Island Management Organisation president Jennie Truman said that in 2002, the Redland Shire Council had recorded 2287 4WDs on the small Flinders Beach in one day. Traffic had increased since then.

She said islanders had been trying to get the council to restrict 4WDs for about six years.
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No doubt restrictions will come but this is as good a time as any for magazines like 4WD Monthly to start promoting 'tread lightly' in the hope that we and our children will still be allowed to go offroad somewhere in the future.

Maybe if we stop snatching all of those SUVs and hire 4WDs (and they had to pay for tows) that would cut down on some offroad traffic.
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Reply By: robak (QLD) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 13:02

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 13:02
I saw this in the paper as well. It would be of great loss to outdoor recreation if the beaches are closed.

Unfortunately a MINORITY of the 4WD fraternity feel that it's their GOD DAMN GIVEN RIGHT to drive over everything in their path and would not give in to anything to do with treading lightly. Just so happens that these same people will complain the loudest when tracks / beaches are closed.

Just my opnion, so it could be wrong.

R.
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Reply By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 13:18

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 13:18
Quote "2287 4WDs on the small Flinders Beach in one day" .What a load of bleep .
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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 13:20

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 13:20
Sorry should of read what a load of bleep bleep bleep bleep .
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Reply By: Brian B (QLD) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 15:00

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 15:00
Hi,

I agree with Glenno. That figure is way over inflated and Flinders would not have that many vehicles on it even at peak holiday periods I think.

Having owned a house over there for many years, it is true some islanders are trying to have vehicles restricted but then others like the 4wd traffic as it generates income to a number of local businesses and the place does heavily rely on money from visitors.

Just the same though Straddie has undergone a lot of closures already compared to what it once was.

Now I'm not sure on this but aren't ghost crabs only active at night because if that is the case then I think the figure they quote about night time traffic may also be a bit skewed.

Certainly agree with the Tread Lightly philosophy anyway.

Have a good one.
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Reply By: Footloose - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:03

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:03
Would some sort of permit system be of value ?
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Follow Up By: gramps - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:09

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:09
Depends on the conditions of the permit. If it was simply a way to dissuade 4wders financially I don't think it will change much as most of the biggest wankers are the cashed up type anyway :)
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:17

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:17
I was thinking of the ones like the forestry ones. But I'm not familiar with the numbers and types that haunt the area :)
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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:43

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:43
Q: Do I need a 4WD permit and how much does it cost?
A: Yes - to drive on the beach you need a 4WD permit. As of 1 July 2005, the Redland Shire Council are only allowing and issuing annual permits. The cost is:

Annual - $32.00*


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Follow Up By: Footloose - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:47

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:47
So its the money grabbing council thats responsible for all those 4wds being on the beach !!!!!!
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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:50

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:50
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Follow Up By: gramps - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:51

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:51
Aah. So the Council does'nt really want to reduce the traffic only make a quick buck or two.

Sorry, just being my normal cynical self.
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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:53

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:53
Almost forgot to add that access to the island is by barge at around $90 per return trip .
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Follow Up By: gramps - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:58

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:58
which has always been there?
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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:00

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:00
How many barges would it take to put 2287 4wds on cylinder beach in one day ?
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:07

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:07
"She said islanders had been trying to get the council to restrict 4WDs for about six years. "
And now we can see why they haven't.
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Reply By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:13

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:13
Stradbroke Island Management Organisation president
Jennie Truman
Point Lookout Post Office
North Stradbroke Island
4183
resident of point lookout stradbroke island.
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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:16

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:16
She doesnt want us on her island.
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Reply By: Member - Geoff M (Newcastle) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:26

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:26
Funny thing statistics, if there where 2287 vehicles on Flinders Beach in one day it would require a barge with a capacity for 100 vehicles per load to do 22.87 trips in one day to get them there!!

Now, I've never been to Stradbroke Island but I couldn't imagine the barge holding 100 vehicles and I don't know how long the trip takes. Look at it this way,

10 vehicles per barge,
10 minutes per trip including loading and unloading,
2287 vehicles to transport,

Therefore,
2287 / 10 = 228.7 trips per day,
@ 10 minutes each trip,

228.7 x 10 = 2287 minutes per day,

Or, 38 hours per day to transport the vehicles.

Hmm, there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

I'd love someone with more information on Stradbroke Island to comment on my numbers!!

Geoff.
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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:40

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:40
It takes about 45 mins one way.
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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff M (Newcastle) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:56

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:56
Thanks glenno,

That would mean if the barge held 10 vehicles it would require,

228.7 trips x 45 minutes = 10,291.5 minutes per day to get the 2287 vehicles there,

Or, 10,291.5 / 60 = 171.5 hours per day to transport the vehicles.

Hmm, do these people think before they open their mouths!!

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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:57

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:57
(sea stradbroke ferries)
Depart Cleveland
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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 23:08

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 23:08
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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 23:11

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 23:11
Up here we call it a barge .
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Reply By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:39

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:39
"She said islanders had been trying to get the council to restrict 4WDs for about six years. "
I havnt read the article but does it mention that she is one of the islanders.
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Reply By: glenno(qld) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 23:21

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 23:21
Just call me GLENNO Net Detective DiP, Sh**
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Follow Up By: gramps - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 23:24

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 23:24
LOL .. don't worry about it. I was wondering where the originator of this thread had disappeared to. Probably off trolling elsewhere :) Ev700 where are you?
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Follow Up By: ev700 - Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 00:52

Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 00:52
gramps

Hi. I have been reading the replies with great interest.

I don't know what the solution is.

Not so very long ago there were relatively few people with basic fourbys. You really had to be into bush camping or fishing to have one. But now many people have access to previously remote areas. Maybe we made access too easy.

Where a lot of people have access, you have to expect some degradation of the environment.

In a way i would not mind rangers closing some areas to recuperate, if only they would open them again for periods - say on a rolling roster.

An idea:
A way of limiting vehicles on beaches could be to have zones where access is permitted only to vehicles carrying with a set standard of recovery equipment (say snatch strap, shackes, exhaust jack and adequate snatch points on the vehicle front and rear). This would not upset serious offroaders but it would discourage those who just want to try their vehicle out on sand.
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Follow Up By: gramps - Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 01:15

Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 01:15
Ev700,

Sorry, for a while there I thought you may have caught the "troll" bug that seemed to have taken over the forum for a while. My apologies.

I agree with what you have said. There does'nt appear to be an easy solution (but solutions are rarely easy). Access permits, as suggested by Footloose, and rolling rosters may be the way to go. Depends on how much we trust the authorities to re-open areas after recuperation.

Just my typical Aussie distrust of authority I guess.
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