NISSAN 3.L ENGINE FAILURES

Submitted: Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 17:17
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We had a customers 3.0l t/d expire this week there is a pattern emerging, over boosting is definately related to engines failing! if you have a 3.0 litre nissan i strongly suggest fitting a boost gauge to check on boost normal is approx 15lb anything over 20lb is disaster wanting to happen!
If you have experienced turbo hoses blowing off this is also a sign of over boosting get it fixed!
The next stage is when it starts blowing white smoke on first start up in the morning and using water.
Usually the over boosting is caused from the air flow meter being dirty or faulty!
I hope this helps 3.0l owners.
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Reply By: Diamond (Vic) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 18:01

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 18:01
good post.
i dont own one but it might stop potential greif if they know what to look for.
cheers
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Reply By: chel - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 18:29

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 18:29
Hi ACDC, thanks for this post, we purchased a 05 3 litre and will do anything to prevent motor failure. Something we certainly couldn't afford to happen. Any future posting in regard to this motor will I'm sure we most welcome.Cheers Michele
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 12:18

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 12:18
... and will do anything to prevent motor failure

sell it and buy a 4.2
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 19:01

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 19:01
This is not new info and was reported by rob robson in Western 4wder about a year ago with the hose blowing off being the give away. as they boost to 25+psi
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Follow Up By: Diamond (Vic) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 20:00

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 20:00
dear davoe.
not all people read western 4wder in fact ive never heard of it.
acdc is just letting people know about the problem before a major problem happens.
cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 04:09

Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 04:09
Not surprising I guess seeing as it is a WA product but worth getting your hands on when you get sick of those eastern states repetitive mags (OL, 4wd ov, 4wd monthly) asd they crap all over these mags for goood trip reports (fully tripnoted at lest 2 per mag) unfortunatly they are all west oz trips and with the outstanding amunt of out of the way tracks there is no need for regurgitating old stuff
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 19:31

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 19:31
Hi ACDC,

I have previously been told that these variable vane turbos are designed to boost to 25psi at the appropriate rpm. But I guess that if they are boosting to 25psi consistently then perhaps the variable vanes are stuck and this could be the problem? Simply fitting a boost gauge and seeing 25 psi doesn't mean there is actually anything wrong (if they are indeed supposed to reach 25psi).

Based on the numerous threads on this subject, the series II (~pre 2002) blown motor problems have been associated with poor oil circulation for various reasons (poor oil gallery casting, too low oil level, bent internal oil sprays during assembley etc...) but who knows, you might be onto something - Nissan certainly aren't saying!!!

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 20:18

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 20:18
We had another 3.0l last week he was complaining of poor fuel economy 16l per 100km's so we fitted a boost gauge it was peaking at 25lb we then fitted a new air flow sensor and the boost returned to 15lb and accassionally reached 20lb when booted, the car is now 100% to drive and fuel economy is approx 12l per 100km's.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:11

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:11
Does the 3L engine have a ready-made plug that can be used to fit a boost gauge, or is it a case of drilling/tapping a suitable hole?
I have a mate with a 3L Patrol and I've suggested to him that a boost gauge would be a good idea. Maybe a EGT gauge too.
Cheers
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - toohey - Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 06:56

Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 06:56
gid'ay all
did i read on the forum that the navara 3.0ltd does'nt have a variable vane turbo,they done't have the intercooler,so maybe not.
can someone varify this for me,thanks.
cheers toohey
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 09:01

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 09:01
ACDC, Where do you plumb your boost guage in to get a measurement?

Leroy
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Reply By: Motherhen - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 20:41

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 20:41
Thanks ACDC - we will look into it, as we had a hose blow off last time we pulled the caravan.
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Reply By: snailbait (Blue mntns) - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 20:50

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 20:50
hi all 3 ltr nisson owners
there is a control called a oxegen sencer it has a lot of holes in a plate when this gets covered with gunk it does go out and put the power down to a lower level
clean this and you should get your power back this happens evan though have changed your air filter reg
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Follow Up By: Sky Pilot - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:22

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 21:22
Ain't technology wonderfull? It is a real worry that these high tech modern diesel engines have not got their act together yet. Nissan, who perfected the RB30 turbo engine in the 80's and have the Skyline GT to their credit are still stuffing up on turbo diesels?
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:04

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:04
An oxygen sensor on a diesel 3.0l??
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Follow Up By: angler - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:26

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:26
Where is this oxygen sensor? I would like to check it.
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 15:51

Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 15:51
There is no oxy sensor on a 3.0l t/d
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Reply By: Eric Experience. - Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:44

Saturday, Nov 05, 2005 at 22:44
acdc.
Good call. The over boost is looking like the main problem,from yours and other experiences. Most motors with turbos have a safety device called a blow off valve, you can see these on the Pajeros. If I had a 3L I would be fitting a blow of valve from day one. From memory there would be a spot on the intercooler where the 30mm hole could be drilled and taped to take the mitse unit. If some one wanted a job they could offer a change over intercooler with blow of valve for say $100, would make a fortune.
Eric.
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Reply By: Blaze - Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 03:14

Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 03:14
Hi ACDC,

I have a mate who had probs with power etc from his old 3LTr Nissan and it isn't an Oxy sensor its the AMS, (Air Mass Sensor). Seems it is the most common prob with the 3 ltr's, but your post is very interesting as he has bought the latest model 3ltr now and says it realyy boogies along but it did blow the hose off a few weeks back, I have msg'd him about this post.

Pity you don't have a 3ltr Roachie, you could fit another gauge :-)
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Reply By: rob1 - Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 12:17

Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 12:17
How would the airflow meter being dirty, cause the turbo to overboost ?

Rob1
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Follow Up By: ACDC - Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 15:50

Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 15:50
You have no throttle on a 3.0l it is all controlled by the computer,the turbo is variable vane type which has no waste gate, so if the fuel control is not right the turbo works overtime.
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Reply By: Snowy 3.0iTD - Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 13:08

Sunday, Nov 06, 2005 at 13:08
ACDC

Thanks for the advice, but would a pressure-relief/blow-off valve set for say 20 psi be better, ie actually preventing over boost rather than just being aware that it's happening? I know they are used on performace turbo-charged engines, I assume you can get these with adjustable pressure settings? Your advice is greatly appreciated.

Regards Snowy
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Follow Up By: Chaz - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 01:12

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 01:12
Snowy 3.0iTD

The nissan system is very efficient apart from being somewhat unreliable. The problem with using a waistgate is that the air flows through the airflow sensor telling the ecu to supply the correct amount of fuel. If the air is then dumped through the waistgate the engine gets overfuelled. This isn't a problem with a petrol motor, but can be on a diesel. The same applies for a blow off valve.
Nissans turbo doesn't exhaust excess pressure, but shouldn't even produce it.

Chaz
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Reply By: 3.0turbob - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 07:21

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 07:21
Not sure if I agree with your follow up........
"You have no throttle on a 3.0l it is all controlled by the computer,the turbo is variable vane type which has no waste gate, so if the fuel control is not right the turbo works overtime"
As we know the turbo spins off the exhaust, so if the air flow is low, the fuel is low, power is low, exhaust required to spin turbo is low.
I was looking through the Gregory's manual and came across this description of turbo operation..
"Boost pressure is controlled by a vacuum operated diaphragm. Vacuum is regulated by the variable nozzle control (VNC) actuator, which opens a port allowing exhauast gas to bypass the turbine blades"
Therefore if the turbo is overboosting there must be a problem with the vacuum, or the variable vanes are sticking for some reason. To check the operation of the VNC rev the engine (parked and in neutral of course) and check that the plunger operates of the VNC correctly. (The VNC is a brass coloured canister, sitting above the turbo, with a rod/plunger protruding beneath it connected to the turbo)
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Reply By: DEANO WA - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 11:49

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 11:49
ACDC ,so where is the best place to tap into for the boost gauge?????????
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 13:08

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 13:08
Failures? news to me..
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Reply By: DaveB - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 20:28

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 20:28
What is the year of manufacture the failures or problems are occurring? I understood that Nissan had problems pre 2005 makes, but they have now fixed them.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Sunday, Nov 13, 2005 at 18:35

Sunday, Nov 13, 2005 at 18:35
ACDC - Any advice on to where to get a gauge, and to get it fitted? I am in SW of WA. Thanks, Motherhen
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Nov 13, 2005 at 21:43

Sunday, Nov 13, 2005 at 21:43
G'day Motherhen,

I asked the same question (above), as did Leroy.......seems like ACDC isn't following this POST any longer.......might need to make a new post headed up......"ACDC: your info is needed"......or similar
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Reply By: Motherhen - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 12:24

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 12:24
Hi ACDC - seems I'm not the only one looking for you after your advice in this post. Having blown a turbo hose pulling the caravan up hill on the way home, really want to get the gauge, but don't know where or how to fit it. Would really appreciate your further advice. Thanks, Motherhen
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 19:50

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 19:50
Motherhen, a boost guage is available from Autobarn or Supercheap or whatever auto store you have in your area. They come in 2 distinct types, 1 is a boost and vacuum guage and 1 is a boost gauge only. Seeing as your vehicle is a diesel which doesn't have vacuum just get a plain boost gauge, any of the reputable brands will do. I like VDO gauges myself others like Autometer or other brands, there's no need to spend a fortune just get one that reads to 25psi or more approx 1.5 or more bar in the metric scale.
I'm not exactly sure where you can plumb in a pressure line on a ZD30 motor but there should be some sort of aluminium crossover tube from the turbo to the intercooler which should be able to be removed. This tube will need to be drilled and tapped to accept a thread (normally 1/8" or 1/4" BSPT "British Standard Pipe Tapered" thread) There is usually a fitting supplied by the gauge manufacturer which determines the correct thread to be tapped.
If you're unsure of doing it yourself, get a local mechanic to fit it for you, it shouldn't be too expensive as it's a pretty simple job.
If you are blowing hoses of your ZD30 I wouldn't be surprised if you are experiencing the overboosting that others on this forum are talking about.
On the subject of gauges, if you could afford one an EGT (Exhaust Gas Temperature) gauge is a very useful addition. It allows you to monitor just how hard your engine is working, particularly on climbing hills. If your EGT temps are too high it may be time to change down a gear or use less throttle input. Ian from Thermoguard sells them from this site and a few people have bought them and are happy with them.
I believe an EGT gauge is probably the best diesel diagnostic tool you can get.
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 19:59

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 19:59
Thanks Andrew. Yes, we have the EGT gauge. Haven't done much towing since it was fitted. This "thread line" has been continued at post 28079. Thank goodness people on this forum know so much - Nissan dealers seem to know nothing about the product they sell. Motherhen
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