Jackaroon Timing Belt
Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005 at 22:44
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lunchboxlegend
Purchased 1999 jackaroo diesel 3.0 last year. Currently sitting on 130,000km. Earlier service shortly after purchase revealed advice from Holden to my mechanic that timing belt need not be done until around 150,000km unless vehicle has experienced heavy 4wd work. Mechanic recently quoted for timing belt replacement (ouch!!) which included tensioners. However he also recommended that at the same time I replace the
water pump and idlers as there could be problems if these need replacing once the timing belt has been done, and may thus require another new timing belt. As you can imagine, that quote was double ouch!!! In case you haven't work it out, I am of the female car owner variety and engines are not my strength..... and working out the validity of mechanical quotes and information, even less so. Please share your experiences.
Toni
Reply By: Graham- Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 09:24
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 09:24
Toni,
I have not yet reached the need to have my timing belt done so am not in a position to advise you, however.
If you got to the
forum area here:
http://australia4wd.com
I think you will find the information you want.
Regards
Graham
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Reply By: Member - Banjo The First (SA) - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 09:57
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 09:57
I have the very same chariot - ours has been good to us so far and have had plenty of great bush trips, towing the camper. If you search through the handbook you'll find reference to the belt changing in a somewhat obscure place - can't recall the exact spot. The mechanic's figures are about the same as the handbook - I think the book says 160k or 120 if dusty conditions - its a matter of judgement for the owner - if the belt breaks while the engine is running its a huge drama cost wise ! I'll probably have
mine done at 140K ! Suggest you
shop around for quotes - I expect you'll find a lot of difference - even among the dealers - the private mechanics should be a lot better though - your current advice sounds like straight "auto maintenance industry hogwash" to me - heard such stories before (from people I now avoid) - the markup on the parts is healthy for the mechanic - the extra time in the workshop is all good workflow - wonder what he would do if it was his car ? In my view the belt could be changed and the tensioners etc can wait - unless they are obviously worn - as for the
water pump - do me a favour !
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Reply By: vitara - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 10:14
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 10:14
Hi there lunckboxlegend, I do see where there coming from when saying to replace the pump at the same time. Alot of the vehicles on todays road the timing belt is obviously connected to the camshaft which is also connected to
water pump, sometimes the diesel pump as
well. It saves you paying labour twice, same as my wifes nissan pulsar replaced the
water pump at the same time even though it was still ok but murphy's law will be that you don't replace it at the same time and it will start leaking on you,same as the tensioners. I would still get a few different quote's to make sure that it is all around the same sort of prices. If it was
mine I would get it all done at the same time, but not every one can afford it all at once, but then again as said you don't want to have to replace the belt as
well next time round. You will no doubt get a few feed backs on this in regards on wether you should get it all done together or not. Hope all works out ok . Regards Vitara
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Follow Up By: vitara - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:01
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:01
Just for curiosity I just rand 2 holden dealerships one at blacktown the other penrith, blacktown $400 Penrith $718 Blacktown advised to change the
water pump as it is a major job doing the belt alone would have to do the whole job again if
water pump needed replacing further down the track so double the payment in labour. Penrith said they would advise me once it was pulled down as to wether it would require tensioners , pump etc but would easily double the price if not more as parts for izuzu very big $$$$. penrith holden quoted $220 just for the belt rang the local spare parts (not holden) $70. Local mechanic just picked out the yellow pages $317.50 including belt same reply when I asked about the
water pump, tensioners etc would rind me if required further parts. So I think it's a matter of choice unless they rang to tell you the other parts need replacing then obviously you would need to.
Shop around for your price. I dont know how these dealerships can all charge different prices but they do. Regards Vitara
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Follow Up By: vitara - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:03
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 11:03
Also (sorry) but if new tensioners are required it will put more tension on and old part which will be the
water pump bearing. Just a thought
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Reply By: Gronk - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 14:01
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 14:01
I don't know what info youv'e recieved but the timing belt isn't due for replacement until 200,000 and the belt is driven off the oil/fuel pump pulley and drives the camshaft pulley. There is only one tensioner and job looks like any back yard mechanic could do (unless you altered the timing) The
water pump is driven off the two belts that drive the alternater (which would have to come off anyway)
Mine has done 151,000 and will probably change it at 180,000 just to be safe. Even if you had to take the timing belt off at a later date it would only be a matter of putting the same belt back on.
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Reply By: Willb - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 15:19
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 15:19
I'm with Gronk on this on.
Service book has it listed at 200,000 Ks, I have had had the cover off and it doesnt appear to be a job that will cost what you are being quoted.
The V6 is another matter and I would suggest you are either being ripped off are being quoted for the V6.
Will
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Reply By: 120scruiser - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 22:21
Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 22:21
Hi lunchboxlegend
Send me an email tomorrow at this site
and I will do a quote for you.
I can't stress strongly enough to replace the tensioner at the time of the belt replacement. If the tensioner fails later, you will suffer very expensive engine damage. If you aren't going to change the tensioner you are taking a very big risk. An example is the holden astra originally had belts to be replaced at 120 000 km but they weren't lasting this long. Holden has revised this to 60 000 km and replace tensioner at the same time. This is not stated in the early astra service books. When they fail it is about 1600.00 dollars to repair the valves.
As for
water pump, I would make that decision at the time and give you a phone call.
For the record I replace the tensioner in all timing belt jobs now especially in late model cars.
Regards
120scruiser
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Reply By: Gronk - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:28
Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:28
Yes the tensioner looks like a good call but the
water pump has nothing to do with the timing belt. Seems like everybody is getting the diesel&v6 mixed up. Has anyone got a handle on any prices for the DIESEL timing belt &tensioner(supply only)
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