Summons to Juror

Submitted: Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 23:45
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not a 4WD question
BUT how do you get out of going to do Juror Duty?

I don't believe in it

Please

Richard
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Reply By: gramps - Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 23:53

Thursday, Nov 10, 2005 at 23:53
"I don't believe in it"

If you can prove that on religious grounds you have a chance. If it's just a personal belief you've probably got next to Buckley's. The notice should have details on exemptions or somewhere to look or someone to call.

Personally I believe it is everyone's civil duty. It's not as if you get asked every year.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 00:03

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 00:03
Hi Gramps
I don't believe I have the capacity to judge other people, for wrong and wright, to laws I may not believe in.
I'm not a smart man, if it wasn't for spell checker I wouldn't be able to do this.

And Civil Duty? whats that mean?

For me There should be a perennial group of jurors to sit in judgment, raver than simple people,

But Thanks anyway

Richard Kovac
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Follow Up By: gramps - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 00:17

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 00:17
Richard,

Sorry, I meant civic duty :)

I know what you mean, however, the judicial system does'nt really care. It likes to have people judged by their peers. Generally, being upright and breathing qualifies you to be a juror.

p.s I'm not buying the simple man line so you've got no hope with a half way awake dragon on the Bench :))))))))
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Follow Up By: Member - Jay Gee (WA) - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:49

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:49
Quote: "It's not as if you get asked every year. "

I have a workmate who has been called several times and has complained. They say "it's totally random, you're just unlucky". Unfortunately for him the time between call-ups has been just outside what qualifies as "having recently done service" so he hasn't been able to use that as a reason.

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Follow Up By: gramps - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 12:45

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 12:45
Jay Gee,

I had something similar about twenty years ago. Obviously I made such a good impression they've avoided me like the plague ever since :)))))))
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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 00:08

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 00:08
I've been lucky and never been called, whereas my sister has been called twice. First time she pleaded needing to care for a child with a medical condition (diabetic). That worked. Next time he was all grown up so she had to go - she was not selected. Not all called get picked - you could try winking at the defendant and acting like you're an old friend - that should disquailify you for sure! It may vary from state to state, but certain medical conditions, being the sole carer for someone with a medical condition in need of a carer, or proof of extreme hardship (eg sole trader in business), would be reasons to get an exemption.
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Reply By: NotExcessive - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 00:24

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 00:24
I was to go this week, but told them I was a self-employed one-man band, which I am. That's sufficient. They pay you $84 a day for the first five days, $94 for the following five days, and $104 per day after the 11th day. Great: try running a business on that. Now if they'd pay all of my company and personal bills then I'd happily sit the five weeks they had scheduled me for. They pay you per day what you'd normally make in one hour. I think they need to get a little bit real. I don't mind doing my civil duty, but not if it's going to result in my phone and power being cut off.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 01:06

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 01:06
I'd love to do it...

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Follow Up By: muzzgit (WA) - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 01:46

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 01:46
Hey Truckie, it's not bad at all. I got called up two years ago. The date set was the beggining of 7 weeks annual leave for me, which incorporated 4 weeks on the road to Broome and back and lots of places imbetween.

They cared not for my situation, so I turned up like a good little boy.

Out of about 200 people, my number was called out along with about 40 others, went to the court room where 12 numbers were called out, again I was one of them, and from there I became a juror on a case of ...........ha ha I can't tell you that, but it was over in three days, the guy was guilty, and I am much wiser for having done it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:08

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:08
The part that sucks is they actually end up with 14 jurors to save from having a mistrial so 2 people sit through the whole thing and then just before they are sent of to deliberate they take 2 numbers out and these people get to go home without further participation. Agree with you Muzzgit i reckon i learned something. PS I am pretty sure you can say what you want about it now the trial is over I know I did it was a damn funny experience with some witnesses not even remembering where they lived and coppers not remembering who they spoke to or what they saw. we spent most of the time trying to contain ourselves with laughter till we cried when in the jury room during breaks
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 01:41

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 01:41
there is only a slim chance you will be required anyway. IF they call your name you still have a good chance of being released by challange by either the prosecution or defence.
It is actually good education and can be quite funny. If you ever ondered how people get off you will find out. My trial could have been an eppisode from Australias dummest folk but we had to let a guy very guilty of Arson go because the coppers did not put anything remotely resembling a decent case. Talking to others (Jury duty is a regular occurence in smaller places) this is pretty normal
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Reply By: Member - Bradley- Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 01:48

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 01:48
i got out of it once because i lived more than 30km from the courthouse.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:10

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:10
thats no excuse i was over 100km!!which is still within their range
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Reply By: ozdragon - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 02:35

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 02:35
My wife has been a juror 4 times in 3 yrs (in one instance 2 cases back to back). I am on a disability pension and apparently will never be called upon. I asked them why and they said disabled pensioners are an automatic exemption.

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Reply By: howie - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:12

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 03:12
get a very smart haircut, hire a salvation army uniform and go along clutching your own bible.
your number might get called but the defence will chuck you off straight away.
pretty soon the court will send you away as a waste of time.
works every time for me.
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Reply By: Patrol22 (Queanbeyan - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 07:42

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 07:42
Join the Navy, Army or Air Force or become a lawyer or copper - you will get automatic exclusion.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 09:47

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 09:47
It would be better off to just kill yourself
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 15:46

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 15:46
It say I do not qualified
1.1 You have been convicted of an offence and sentenced:
1.1.1 to death (and the coviction was not carried out) ?????????
1.1.2 to life imprisonment

But if you have Killed someone and haven't been court it's OK

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Reply By: Ron173 - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 07:46

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 07:46
Claim you have known the defendant previously, they cant use you then, and he wont argue, anything causing things not go smoothly is up his street.
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Reply By: glenno(qld) - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 08:06

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 08:06
I believe the court sheriff is the person you give the excuse to . Good luck
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 09:13

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 09:13
A. be female . B. claim exemption due to P.M.T.
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 09:13

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 09:13
Sleep with the Judge...or tell them you know Truckster, who is happy to fill in for you.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 09:47

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 09:47
'ken oath!
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Reply By: Sky Pilot - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:17

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:17
They don't seem to like upright straight authoritarian stereotypes - at least the defence lawyers don't. Short hair cut and a really spiffy looking traditional suit. If you're in the RSL, wear your badge. Your chances of being selected are slim anyway. I've fronted twice and not been selected.
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Reply By: Jodi - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:36

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:36
Change your name to Michael Jackson... Sorry, I know that was in poor taste but he has gotten out of Jury Duty recently (I can't believe he was actually called up).

I have never been called so do not know all the details, but I do believe that your employer can also confirm to them that you are required at work for various reasons (your letter should contain details). My boss was called a few months ago and managed to avoid it after writing a letter explaining his work comittments for travel etc.

On the other hand, my G'Father was called up and ended up on the Jury. He has some fairly radical views and basically doesn't believe in the police. He learnt a lot by sitting in court and learning some of the more gory details of life. He still does not believe in police, but now accepts that unfortunately at times they are needed. His case involved a lady that had a rather not nice husband.

While you may not believe in it, it may also be an opportunity for you to learn more. The concept of a jury is a representation of the society that is passing judgement. If you were on the jury then you would be representing what you and possible many others believe.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 13:31

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 13:31
Quote: "He has some fairly radical views and basically doesn't believe in the police."

I'm very curious how anybody can not "believeinthepolice"???? ....... what would you G'father (not sure whether you mean "godfather" or "grandfather") do in the event of being bashed in the street; having his car stolen or crashed-into; see a gang of thugs raping a woman etc etc.....presumably he'd just "wish" them to go away....hehehehe

Sorry, but I just think that is a VERY curious statement. I admit that not everyone "loves" the coppers, but to say you don't "believe" in them is , well, bloody strange!!!!
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Follow Up By: Jodi - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 14:03

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 14:03
Hi Roachie,

It's Grandfather and I agree with you entirely. Believe me, his ideas have stimulated some pretty hefty, heated and frequently funny conversations around the table at Christmas and other family gatherings. As I get older (I'm now very rapidly approaching my 30's) I start to realise that I think a lot of it is said by him to stir the pot then sit back and watch the following verble battle that is sure to be on its way. However I do believe that when he says he doesn't believe in the police he is coming more from the angle that he wishes there weren't any along with wishes there wasn't a need for them. He's a pretty unusual guy but a Grandfather I wouldn't change for all the world. Certainly kept me thinking about things from pretty strange angles as I grew up and in a lot of ways gave me some perspective instead of just going with the flow so to speak.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 14:07

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 14:07
OK Jodi,

Sounds like (if nothing else) he has stimulated you to think for yourself and not be stereo-typed.....and that's gotta be a good thing!!! I hope your G'father lives to be 100....;-))

Cheers

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Jodi - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 14:18

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 14:18
I hope he does too. I might just point out that we (as a family) had the misfortune to require the police some years ago for pretty serious events that ended in a trial in court. Their support and assistance was invaluable (I was in my teens at the time and came to trust them and found myself turning to one particular detective quite frequently for support and an explanation as to what was going on) and I do know that my Grandfather certainly sees things from this perspective as well.

On another note with juries, did anybody know that in Adelaide, defendents can elect to be tried by jury or judge alone. At least that was the case about 10 years ago. This particular person that was charged when we ended up in court chose judge alone as he knew that a jury may be more influenced by the emotional nature of the case so he got found not guilty due to lack of witnesses.

I have the utmost respect for people that do end up on a jury. Some of them are exposed to details about society that are quite disturbing. To be able to go through that process and make decisions that can affect the rest of somebody's life is a big responsibility but also one that can change things for the better.

Now I'll get off my soap box, blow my nose and wipe my eyes and sign off. Have a great weekend.
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Reply By: Ray Bates - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:40

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 10:40
A friend of mine was called. He told them that he had a criminal record. When asked what for he told them DD and was then told that that didn' count. What a system. If your done for DD you have a criminal record and as far as I know if you have a criminal record you are ineligable to sit on a jury
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Follow Up By: muzzimbidgie - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 12:50

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 12:50
Not true. I have been done twice for smoking pot, back in the days when I was young and stupid and when it was illegal in WA.

So now I have a criminal record - to the point that I am not permmited to enter the united states because I have a drug conviction - and I still got called up.

Don't panic guys. I found jury duty to be very educational, and a very sobering experience.
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Follow Up By: gramps - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 13:35

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 13:35
"a very sobering experience"

Yep, I don't think their meals include alcohol or did'nt when I did my stint :)
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Reply By: The Explorer - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 11:19

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 11:19
Just dont go...they dont have the time or resources to chase every one up...you will not be the only one not there. If they get most people they send a letter to turning up they are happy. If they ask for a reason (doubt it) say you never got the letter because you were on holiday somewhere and never recieved it. Not that I condone this sort of behaviour...just and idea:).
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Follow Up By: Sky Pilot - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 12:40

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 12:40
Would that amount to contempt of court? Definitely a gaolable offence if it is.
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 13:17

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 13:17
Gee that’s got me shaking in my boots - Maybe you are right with contempt of court bit - but being locked up for it would never happen. I think it says on the letter they send (in WA at least) you will get a fine if you don’t turn up...but as I said they don’t have the time or inclination (from what I can gather/common sense suggests) to follow up OR maybe they give you the benefit of the doubt on first occasion (based totally on my limited experience with this matter). Still, you should try and attend if you can ...but if you don’t want to it’s not hard to avoid.
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Reply By: Sea-Dog - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 11:45

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 11:45
Just tell them that the voices in your head have told you that you have to stay home and clean your guns that day!!!

I am lucky as I am an ex copper so I tell them that if they have got this far in the legal process then they are guilty anyway as in my years of being a cop I never once saw an innocent person get arrested... so being that my opinion is going to be predjudiced I am exempt from jury duty for life...

Works for me!
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Reply By: Howard T - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 12:05

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 12:05
Richard

I have got out of it for years. Just told them I had a hearing problem and if they wanted proof contact my Doctor. This was the excuse I was told to use by an ex court bailiff. I have not had a call up 10years.
Also if you have kids and its school holidays just tell them you have other plans with the kids I have heard that works.
I suppose some people like to go and get all excited over what they hear in a court room but I am like you.

Regards

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Reply By: warthog - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 12:54

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 12:54
Make sure you are not on the electoral role. Also saves you from the ultimate exercise in futility, having to vote.
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Reply By: Spade Newsom - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 15:04

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 15:04
Coming from a small town getting the jury duty call comes 2 - 3 times per year. The clerk of the court knows most people anyway but I have learnt some good tricks. They don't have to be true but it helps.

Racist tendencies. - I am biased against ethnic groups, black people, white people, bikies, gang members, junkies, drug dealers etc (whatever suits your local circumstances)

Nervous disposition - I become anxious and nauseous in pressure situations.

I have planned and interstate holiday over the jury service period. Family re-union something really important is best.

I have a poor concentration span and get distrated when bored.

Tell them in your reply that you have done jury duty in the last 12 months. Maybe they won't check.

Remember also if you are called for jury duty, there is only a small chance you will actually get to sit on the jury. For a start your number must get drawn out of a hat and then the legal people have to accept you. If you do get called to sit you then have another chance to ask the judge directly for an excusal.

You can then use some of the above excuses again and try get off that way. Or otherwise try;

You think you might be related to the defendant, You've read about the case in the papers and reckon he did it.

Ultimately I usually do it once a year however have never got to actually sit on a jury.

good luck

Spade
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Reply By: New at this - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 20:17

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 20:17
I was called up for jury duty in Penrith NSW, my brother was also called up on the same panel he told the court attendent that we should be allowed to leave as we had both been picked for the same jury pool.

The court attendent told my brother to sit down and that it would not be a problem if we both ended up on the same jury.

Well you guessed it we both got picked on the same jury, neither my brother and I were smart enough to do what the last person that was called up did, when the last juror walked up to the jury box glared at the defendent, if looks could kill, they kicked him to the kerb quick smart.

Solution glare daggers at the defendent.

Cheers
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Reply By: Wombat - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 20:40

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 20:40
Simply drag your pet hinge along on its chain behind you to the first selection meeting. That should do it!
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Follow Up By: Wombat - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 20:41

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 20:41
. . . . or ask each and every person at that first meeting if they know where the pointy piece of the end of the vacuum cleaner is.
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Reply By: Pilbara Wayne - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 21:29

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 21:29
Richard

One of the office ladies at work replied to her call up with a letter. In the letter she stated

"I am an ex coppers wife, wheel the guilty bastards in!"

Funnily enough, she was not required!

Maybe that'll give you food for thought.
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Reply By: Member - Trevor R (QLD) - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 22:04

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 22:04
Hi Richard,

No-one has stated the obvious correct answer which is to be in a position of being tried at the same time as you are supposed to be trying someone else.
If this does not work ?? (don't know why it wouldn't). You could always tell the compasionate person who gives a $hit that you were wrongly convicted (previously) and believe all who end up in the courtroom are innocent anyway so no sense going to trial with me in the jury if you want a conviction.
All tongue in cheek, but sure it would work if you wanted it to.

Regards Trevor.
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Reply By: angler - Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 22:17

Friday, Nov 11, 2005 at 22:17
I was called up not long ago after years of getting it off due to work commitments. Every day about 100 or sometimes 200 people would turn up and wait to be called in, and then the numbers were drawn. After a couple of days someone had knocked off the TV set in the jurors room and we all complained and they had to but a new one for us. I figured they really need 36 people in Qld, each barrister can reject 12 and they need 12 so why in gods name do they need 200 each and every day.
I ended up on one jury we all said guilty as hell and the judge let him off anyway, what was the point of the whole exercise, three days ( in short bursts) of arguing for nothing.

With is latest goings on I reckon the police should bring in a new rule,

"If in doubt take them out". At least it will save us from jury service.

I must admit I learned a lot. We all had to be there by 8am. The judges usually arrived aroud 11am. we went up for selection abourt midday, home by 1pm. If there was some real work done by judges, ie 8 hours pay for 8 hours work the courts would not have the delays that are curently encountered. The two to three hour lunches they enjoyed really bleep me off.
The three days I had in actual court room duties would have probably been able to be dealt with in two or three hours of real activity.

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Reply By: prado_95 - Sunday, Nov 13, 2005 at 16:17

Sunday, Nov 13, 2005 at 16:17
if not a religious grounds, perhaps that you might have an outspoken view of 'hang the bastard', irrespective of the case at hand.

What I can tell you is that its a pain in the arse for everybody - yourself & your boss.

Of course I'm not that radical.
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 00:16

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 00:16
Thanks All

I'm just not gunna GO

Richard
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