Winch extension strap for hand winch

Submitted: Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 12:23
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Is a 50mm wide 4000kg winch extension strap sufficient for a hand winch? I've seen 6000kg and 8000kg straps - seeing as hand winches are usually only rated at 2500kg pull (versus a usual 9000lb/4090kg for electric), the 4000kg seems like a good one to pick, but it's also the smallest I've seen - I would rather have a safety pin in the winch fail than the strap...

Thoughts?
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Reply By: Member - Hughesy (SA) - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 13:54

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 13:54
I've just bought one to use with my hand winch. i don't think I'll overload it with the handwinch. If you were considering upgrading to an electric winch at some stage it might be worth getting the 6000kg one. I got a 20m x 4000kg ext strap for $62 delivered.
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Reply By: Wizard1 - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 16:42

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 16:42
Scubaroo,
the 2500 kg is a vertical lift capacity. Hand winches were originally designed for the construction industry and were used to lift heavy items vertically. The horizontal pull rate is much more than that, probably closer to the electric winches, put a snatch block or two into the equation and the rate increases again. I won't quote the figures.

I've recovered a 3 tonne Landrover 110 out of the mud with my mere 2500 kg hand winch using direct pull (no snatch block). If it exceeding the winch capacity a the sheer pin would have gone.

I also carry a drag chain (5 metre) as well as two extension straps (8 and 20 metre), you never know how far your anchor point may be.

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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 16:48

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 16:48
Which hand winch have you got? The ones I was looking at (Terrain Tamer, Black Rat etc) quote 1600kg lift, 2500kg pull.

I was planning on just a single 30m strap - you should be able to double it to shorten to 15m if needed. Already have an equalizer strap for the front of the vehicle, so I can double it around that.
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Follow Up By: Marilyn Monroe - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 18:23

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 18:23
I'd use a rated Bow shackle to attach to the equaliser strap, not just wrap the extension strap around it. I got a Big Haul hand winch and its a pearler.
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 20:52

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 20:52
Why would you use a bow shackle to attach the extension to the equaliser? The equaliser strap has a sliding sleeve that's designed for a snatch strap eye to be fed over - would doubling an extension strap over the same be much different? I always thought that minimising the number of shackles attached to straps was a safer approach.
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Follow Up By: Marilyn Monroe - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 22:04

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 22:04
Well its just the strap against strap contact and heat buildup that I would guard against, your talking here about extension strap and equaliser so its not like attaching a weight to an elastic band like a snatchie etc, so I would go the bow shacle still.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 20:17

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 20:17
I also carry a 30 metre 4000kg winch ext strap with my Tirfor. Its stronger than you'd need using a hand winch. Its also a very useful piece of recovery gear - if you need to tow a vehicle out of a bog, it gives you plenty of length to get well away and as you say, you can easily double it up.
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Reply By: Crackles - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 22:18

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 22:18
From my observations the 4000kg is the breaking strain of the strap not the safe working load. Double block a 2500kg tirfor & at full capacity it's going to bust.
Even run out single the working load is too close to the breaking strain leaving very little safety margin. I've chosen instead to carry a selection of cables which can be run through snatch blocks or dragged over rocks under strain with no fear of snapping. Most have breaking strains in excess of 15 tonne.
Cheers Craig........
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 23:23

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 23:23
"Double block a 2500kg tirfor & at full capacity it's going to bust."

Hadn't thought of that. The ratings on winch straps (and snatches) as you said is the breaking strain. Does make the 6000kg sound the wiser option.
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 23:35

Monday, Nov 14, 2005 at 23:35
On the flipside of that argument I guess, if you needed to use a snatch block for mechanical advantage, you would use it with the limitation that you would also have to shorten your 4000kg winch strap from 30m to 15m by doubling it. If ~25m reach can't get you out of trouble, get help :-)
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 16:28

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 16:28
The 6 tonne strap would certainly be the wiser option as you should have some safety margin to allow for general wear & small nicks that will lower the breaking point from new.
Doubling a strap does not double the rating. Extension straps have sewn in eyes to spread the load around D's or tow points so the middle of the strap becomes the weakest point. Ideally there should be a protective sleeve over the strap if doubled or better still used as they were designed for & not doubled at all. The same goes for snatch straps which should never be doubled either.
Cheers Craig...........
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Reply By: Scubaroo - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 16:41

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 16:41
Thanks.

Followup question - if you were to use a snatch block with a hand winch, would you need to anchor the hand winch off a recovery point on the vehicle being recovered (with a smallish strap in between, say an equaliser or another tree protector), run the wire around the snatch block mounted off a tree, and hook back up on a second recovery point on the vehicle? I can't see a simple way of doing this if the hand winch is attached to the tree - once you run the wire around the snatch block (if you've got the snatch block on the front of the vehicle), where do you hook it at the tree end? I always thought that hand winches should be anchored to something other than the vehicle being recovered.

I can picture how to use a snatch block with a hand winch when you want to change the pull direction (e.g. pulling a fallen tree), and with a vehicle mounted electric winch for mechanical advantage, but not with a hand winch for mechanical advantage - unless the hand winch is anchored to the vehicle being recovered...
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