Charcoal Burner
Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 12:26
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David from Engine Saver Low Water Alarms
I was recently asked if I knew how the charcoal burner attatchments that were used during petrol shortages in the war years worked.
I thought some information would be available on the internet but could only find a couple of pictures.
Can anyone help me out with this one?
Reply By: Ken - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 13:00
Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 13:00
David, these devices were a crude way of producing a flamable gas capable of powering (?) an internal combustion engine. I understand they were a small vertical chamber containing burning charcoal into which I think
water was dripped. Not sure if this was part of the reaction to produce the gas or to control the burning of the charcoal to produce the gas. The burner part was connected to a sort of gas tight bag that stored the gas. This bag [on the car roof] was then connected onto the carby of the motor and I presume controlled by the normal carby butterfly valve.
I can just recall my grandparents with one just after the war when petrol was still scarce but was too
young to understand how it worked.
The gas produced was referred to as
water gas but this doesn't sound too scientific to me and I'm not sure of the how hydrocarbons are produced by burning charcoal and adding
water. Possibly the slow fire produced enough heat to liberate combustible gases at a rate greater than could be consumed by the burning charcoal and collecting it in a bag enable the car motor to use it.
Good luck with your search
Ken
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Reply By: Notso - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 13:31
Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 13:31
It's called producer gas, check out this site
http://members.tripod.com/~highforest/woodgas/woodfired.html
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Reply By: Marilyn Monroe - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 13:48
Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 13:48
Yes it was a gas producer, unlike me
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Follow Up By: gramps - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:24
Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:24
So what did blow your skirt up in that famous photo :))))))
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Follow Up By: Marilyn Monroe - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:37
Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:37
Ambition
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Reply By: David from Engine Saver Low Water Alarms - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 13:57
Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 13:57
Many thanks to:
Ken for his reply
Notso for the terrific Link
And to Marilyn for not producing gas!
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Follow Up By: TroopyTracker - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 18:14
Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 18:14
David,
Whats up with your website? Can't get it up;-)
Cheers
Matt
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Follow Up By: David from Engine Saver Low Water Alarms - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 21:24
Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 21:24
Matt.
I had no trouble getting it to work.
Will ask my web designer, John Mcgregor at website marketing.
Sorry for any inconvenience.
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Follow Up By: TroopyTracker - Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 19:41
Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 19:41
David
Got it now no worries
Thanks
Matt
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Reply By: atoyot - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:32
Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:32
There is a Dodge Coronet at the Road Transport Hall of Fame in
Alice Springs that has a charcoal burner attached. It was built by Kurt Johannsen a few years ago. Kurt was the chap who invented self-tracking road trains, amongst other things. He built a "better charcoal burner" than those going around at the time, getting much better mile per log than the usual burners. If you want a great read, "Son of the Red Centre" is a good place to start.
Andrew
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Reply By: Jimbo - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:53
Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:53
David,
One of the Kilns that produced the charcoal still exists in excellent condition at Gembrook, Vic. There is information about the process there.
Try a Google search of Kurth Kiln.
There is also a group known as "Friends of Kurth Kiln" who maintain the grounds and the cottages.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Reply By: joc45 - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:57
Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:57
I remember being taught about these things in high school chemistry.
I understand that because of their simplicity, filtering of the gas was not one of their priorities, and the charcoal soot carried thru to the engine shortened its life somewhat.
Not sure that they would be welcomed on the streets these days, despite fuel costs, as they belched out lots of smoke, I'm told.
Gerry
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Reply By: Ray Bates - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 20:21
Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 20:21
Mr Howard would not like it as he would miss out on revenue
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Reply By: Eric Experience. - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 23:46
Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 23:46
David.
How much detial do you want? The brief story is that wood is a hydrocarbon, if you look very closely at a burning log you will see that the wood is not burning but the flame is coming from a gas about 10 mm away from the wood. That gas is very similar to petrol vapor, what the gas producer does is heat the wood without igniting the gas then pipe the gas to the motor. If you want more detial I can help. Eric.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 00:59
Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 00:59
Hi Eric
Maybe read this Hydrocarbon
Wood is a Hydrocarbon ?
Wood
Maybe I'm not right, please tell me
Richard
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Follow Up By: David from Engine Saver Low Water Alarms - Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 06:32
Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 06:32
Thanks for the reply Eric
I received a great answer from Ken yesterday, he sent me this link
http://members.tripod.com/~highforest/woodgas/woodfired.html
Thanks to everyone who replied.
I will be offline for the rest of the week due to work committments
in
Cairns.
Best Regards
David
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Follow Up By: Eric Experience. - Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 23:39
Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 23:39
Richard.
It is a little more complicated than that. I am trying to keep it simple, hydrogen and carbon are the main components of wood if you ignor water.
Eric.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 00:30
Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 00:30
Hi Eric
Answer
Engine Saver Low Water Alarms
Isn't to complicated is it LOL
Maybe the Hydrogen in wood comes from the water ? H2O
Richard
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