CDMA is no more

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Just released: We will get 850Mhz 3G phones in its place...

Telstra today unveiled its mobile broadband vision for Australia announcing a three-year plan for a single, super-fast national 3G mobile service.

Mr Trujillo said the new network would use the same (850 MHz) frequency and booster technology approach used by Telstra’s existing CDMA network, thereby providing the same broad coverage in rural areas, without the need for extra base stations.

Mr Trujillo said the existing CDMA network and the Telstra and Big Pond Wireless Broadband services will remain in place until the national 3G service has the same or better coverage and services.

“Wireless broadband coverage on the CDMA-based EV-DO network will continue to be expanded as part of our commitment to accelerate the growth of our leading wireless broadband service until such time as the national 3G service is available.

“At this time, Telstra and Big Pond Wireless Broadband customers will receive free upgrades and replacement data cards and modems.

“Customers will be given plenty of notice to upgrade their handsets in the same way they do today but with the added benefit of attractive handset deals to ensure they can make full use of the new services.”
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Reply By: Marilyn Monroe - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:42

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:42
what the.... just when I got me a nice CDMA jobbie
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Follow Up By: Marilyn Monroe - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:47

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:47
well wouldnt that rot ya cotton gusset
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:48

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:48
The Cdma candle blew out long ago Marilyn. It was a joke on us consumers who were better off with the analogue. And like you I just got geared up with a new CDMA. B@stards!

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Follow Up By: Marilyn Monroe - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:57

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:57
Lets hope the legend never does
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Reply By: flappa - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:55

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 14:55
I wouldn't get too worried just yet.

Its not as though they will switch it off tomorrow.

It will be a good few years before all the bugs are ironed out (and its Telstra ,so it WILL be a few years).

Most people change their phones every few years anyway.

I only bought a CDMA a few weeks ago. No problems in my view
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Follow Up By: Alan S - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 15:03

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 15:03
But a bit of a pain as I have just installed a car kit for my CDMA phone and a nice bull bar mounted antenna. Not to mention the 1X card for the lap top... I had better make sure I still have all my receipts...
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 15:17

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 15:17
I too have just installed an in car kit and ext earial, thought I'd go modern because I had the old CDMA for lots of years. Don't change my phones unless I have too just couldn't get an in car kit for my old Motorola and there was just no chnce of an aerial. I am the ultimate anti consumer when it comes to this kind of stuff and expect my gear to last decades. Not good enough Mr Telstra! - yeah I know you don't care.

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Follow Up By: Alan S - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 15:26

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 15:26
Like you I was expecting this installation and set up to last the life of the cruiser. I intend to keep the 4by until it falls apart, which hopefully won't be for another 20 years or so..
Oh well, I hope they are generous with their refunds but I doubt it...
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Reply By: Member - Oskar (Bris) - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 15:05

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 15:05
The 3G network is already up and running with "3" ... Testra bought a big share in the existing "3" network so it's a simple (???) change over and add on process for them.
Television on the phone??? Now how can we escape it all??
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Follow Up By: Alan S - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 15:08

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 15:08
Not quite as simple as that, the current deployed 3G network works at 2100Mhz and not 850Mhz as will be deployed in the bush but I am sure that dual band mobiles will become availabel in time....
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Follow Up By: Member - Oskar (Bris) - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 16:45

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 16:45
Will that mean that city mobiles won't work out west??
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Follow Up By: Alan S - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 16:52

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 16:52
This proposed new 850Mhz 3G network means new handsets for everyone that has a CDMA phone now. CDMA will cease to exist, GSM will be unaffected. The new handsets will work in the city. Hope this helps...
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Follow Up By: gramps - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:58

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:58
Hahahahaha ... and I was wondering why Telstra were pushing CDMA in major cities (understand rural areas but...). The usual bullshyte re coverage etc boils down to very short term plan re obsolescence. Got to get the non-technophiles to change over handsets every two to three years.
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Reply By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 16:09

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 16:09
All I really wanta doooOO is baby be friends with you
and talk to me mates
Bring back the analogue system!
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Reply By: P.G. (Tas) - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:11

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:11
You know, it never ceases to amaze me. Just when you think you've seen everything ............

Mobile phones today are getting better and better, they take pictures, they take movies, you can even listen to the radio on them, but as a mobile communication device (phone) they are still bl@@dy useless!

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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:37

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:37
Peter, No truer words uttered. just thinking the same thing... Michael
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Reply By: Member - Bradley- Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:26

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:26
also announced today from telstra,

- cutting 12 thousand aussie jobs, so they can become more "customer focussed"

WHAT THE !!! i'll have some of the drugs that Sol "the profit bonus" tripper is on.

Typical action from a yank exec.
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Follow Up By: gramps - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:53

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:53
Is there an easier way for him to achieve his performance bonus? Of course not. It's usually the first action a new CEO takes in 99.9% of companies.
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Follow Up By: kev.h - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:59

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:59
Does this mean we have to learn Indian or Pakistani to comunicate with them? there will be no Australians working for them soon at this rate
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 21:02

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 21:02
Kev,

Why would you want to communicate with them?

Sorry, I got that wrong. Why would they want you to communicate with them?

Yeah that's right.

Duncs
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 16:59

Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 16:59
David Murray said EXACTLY the same thing a few years ago when he announced that the Commical Bank (sorry.....Commonwealth) was going to shed S H I T loads of jobs too so that they could service their "valued" customers better. Now, I've never had an account at "WHICH BANK", but maybe someone who has could enlighten us as to whether the service levels have improved over the past few years?

(declaration of interest......I am currently, and have been for the past 35 years, been employed by NAB).

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Follow Up By: Member - Bradley- Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 22:12

Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 22:12
well mate i recently closed my account with the commtheif bank, after becoming totally frustrated with them. many reasons, like paying out a home loan then getting treated like a crim and charged ludicrous fees on my account because my 'relationship' with the bank had decreased in value, i was shopping for a new loan and they definetly burnt their bridge there.

here in sunbury the best bank is the westpac/bank of melb.

but i'm opening a police credit union account - no fees :-))

i recently changed my mobile back to telstra (coverage is better at home etc) and had to laugh when the telstra shop had to ring up and go on hold for about 20 minutes like every other sucker to open the account. Yeah go and sack more staff, she'll be grouse...
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Reply By: disco1942 - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:56

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 17:56
I don't know what you are all bleating about - Telstra 3G has been round for a few years - see http://www.telstra.com.au/video/coverage.htm for their coverage. 3G is just their next generation of CDMA.
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Follow Up By: Mike DiD - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 22:36

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 22:36
No, the existing 3G WCDMA network offered by 3 and Telstra uses 2100MHz.

There a no phones available now for the newly announced 850Mhz 3G network.

Mike (Telstra employee this week anyway)
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Reply By: the real chopper - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 18:05

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 18:05
you could always go back to two tin cans and string if you are so resistant to new technology...

you know, once upon a time there was no internet or exploroz forum either...
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Follow Up By: gramps - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 22:37

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 22:37
Chopper,

The real question is will the system work any better than the "old" mobiles at their core function - being able to make and receive a simple phone call. I don't really give a rat's patootee about all the bells and whistles. I just want a reliable means of mobile communications. If they concentrated on that and reduced the amount of "candy" we'd be a lot better off.

If people can't keep their hands off the phone now while driving, God help us if they do run movies etc via this medium. What fool would want to watch a movie on a telephone screen?
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Reply By: Willem - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 22:22

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 22:22
Bring on new technology.

Have had CDMA phone for 3 years. It works well except in the outer suburbs of Melbourne in the Dandenong Hills.

Most phones get replaced every two years so it shouldnt be a concern. Its a bit like Super Petrol. It is still around in places even after years of phasing out.
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Reply By: Mike DiD - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 22:33

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 22:33
If you have just installed a CDMA antenna look after it, you will still be able to use it with the newly announced 850Mhz 3G network starts to replace CDMA.

Mike (Telstra employee, this week anyway)
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 16:44

Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 16:44
Hi Mike,

Hoping you can give me some advice. I'm going to travel in the Kimblery and Pilbra region next year for about 4-5 months. Will get a CDMA phone with the option of My Hour. Do you know when the option of My Hour will stop????, Considering the area we are heading into is it really worth the extra for an external aerial since there is very little coverage there anyway????

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 17:03

Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 17:03
AFAIK it has already stopped. I had it with my previous contract which expired last August. I bought a new phone and they told me the "My Hour" was no longer an option.
Sorry
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 17:42

Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 17:42
Nah Roachie it's back on, has been for a month or so. Just don't know for how long.
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Follow Up By: Mike DiD - Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 20:06

Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 20:06
Several years ago I was bogged for six hours - to get help I had to hold the phone at arm's length to get a signal. Fortunately I had an earpiece to make it possible.

I suggest getting a "broomstick" antenna that will work on CDMA and GSM - totally obsolescence proof. :-)

Mike
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 10:14

Friday, Nov 18, 2005 at 10:14
Thanks Mike, how about the My Hour, do you know when it finishing being offered???

Thanks
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Reply By: Pilbara Wayne - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 23:54

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 23:54
Do you realy think telstra would lose a large customer base?
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 15:14

Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 15:14
do you really think Telstra give a bleep ?
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Follow Up By: angler - Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 22:38

Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 22:38
"Your call is important to us" BUT NOT THAT B*^#Y IMPORTANT

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Nov 20, 2005 at 23:57

Sunday, Nov 20, 2005 at 23:57
Wayne.. From todays Age newspaper - this starts next yr - Telstra says THROW YOUR PHONE AWAY - BAD LUCK!

New mobile? Throw it out, Telstra says
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November 20, 2005

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AdvertisementTELSTRA'S 8.4 million mobile phone users will need to buy a new handset when the company switches to its proposed new- generation technology, beginning next year.

As part of a major restructure announced last week by Telstra boss Sol Trujillo, Telstra plans to close its present three networks, GSM, or digital, CDMA and the newly launched 3G, and replace them nationally with one system.

Telstra spokesman Rod Bruem said the existing phones, some costing as much as $1000, would not work on the new network and all Telstra customers would need to upgrade.

"We will probably offer deals to our customers to change over and could include the new handsets as part of contract renewals," he said.

"But prices of the new phones should be comparable with the 3G phones in our shops now. We obviously want to hold on to our customers and look after them by minimising any disruptions through the technology change."

Telstra, with 46 per cent of the mobile market, has seven million customers using the standard digital GSM network while 1.4 million, most in the country, are linked to CDMA, which gives better coverage in country areas.

The present 3G network that Telstra introduced only months ago provides high-speed data and video calls to mobiles.

The new system will replace all three networks but will operate on the same frequency as the CDMA system, which means its range should be as good. It will also make use of 80 per cent of existing equipment, including phone towers.

Mr Bruem said it was important to note that the biggest mobile operator in the US, a company called Cingular, had 51 million customers and was moving to the same technology planned by Telstra.

Deals had been done with other big players so that this technology could become the dominant one in the world, and the more customers, the bigger the savings and the more competition from phone manufacturers.

"Telstra has signed a new agreement with a company called BrightStar, which is one of the world's biggest mobile phone sourcing companies, and that will allow us to have the new phones made to suit Australian specifications and the new market," he said.

The new Telstra network will be on a different frequency to that used by Optus and other companies, meaning there will be two separate mobile phone systems, which could result in a need for phones with dual bands.

Mr Bruem said that with all Telstra customers having access to the one network, the company could better focus on filling in black spots.

"But the change will be a gradual process," he said.

"If people buy a new phone today, they should not be concerned about suddenly having to throw it away. The present networks will continue until 2008 and, because most customers upgrade their phones every 18 months, there should not be any worries. But there will be a date when the present phones will cease to work, in the same way the old analogue system was closed down; although unlike analogue, Telstra is not locked in by a mandated government shutdown. This time we will do it in a way that ensures people are not inconvenienced."

Former deputy prime minister Tim Fischer, a strong advocate of the present CDMA network, said he was deeply concerned about Telstra's proposals, particularly as the replacement low-frequency GSM network was not yet operational in the southern hemisphere.

"Not so fast, Sol, in junking the CDMA mobile freeway, which is able to be upgraded easily to 3G or 4G," he said.

"I accept GSM can also be upgraded but possibly at a bigger cost. We need to flush out the details and we need to see a lot more about the proposed footprint coverage of the new network."

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