Charging 100amp/h agm battery

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 18:01
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It is recommended to fully charge an agm deep cycle battery, a three stage switch mode charger is required (I do not like generators in the hands of the inconsiderate)
but I have weakened and bought a GMC 850 genny just in case I need to top up my batteries, I have been told by every dealer that sells these chargers that the cheap gennys will fry the electrics and I will have no warranty,so how do you people do it, is there a particular type or brand of charger that will do the job.
Geoff-2
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Reply By: scottp - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 18:42

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 18:42
sounds like you need a pure sine wave geni, eg: yamaha, honda, kippor.

When we are not running the cars long enough for the dual battery system o put a sufficient charge into the batt, we charge our 200 amp/h battery's using honda EU20i and a 50 amp automatic charger. The charger automatically varies the rate of charge to the battery. we rotate between two batterys and each battery will be charged in under 3 hrs from dead flat.

the charger cost about $500
the geni 2k but the EU10i would do the job and save about $400 and 8kg

Pretty sure this would work well on your agm's but our batts are wet.

expensive setup but works well for us and the geni only puts out 53 dB.

hope this helps

scott
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Reply By: brett - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 20:28

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 20:28
The 12V output on those generators isn't regulated. If your batteries are fairly flat it won't be a problem as it will take a few hours before they start to reach a full charge and the terminal voltage starts getting up around 14.2V. You can run it for a few hours and just keep an eye on the voltage, with your AGM's you really don't want to be sitting above 14V for a long time with a wet cell you can sit on 14.4V no problem. The other and better option is run a proper 12V charger off the 240V. I've run a switchmode 17A charger off one of those $98 gennies no problem.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 16:20

Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 16:20
Brett,

I think that's what he's driving at......he wants to use a separate 3 stage charger on the 240v side of the gennie, but is afraid the cheap gennie will stuff his expensive 3 stage charger. I would be worried about that as well.....in fact I WAS worried enough to spend the bucks on a Yamaha 1kva gennie to power up my 2 Engel fridges and my Durst 3 stage charger. Works good for me.

Roachie
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Reply By: Member - John (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 20:29

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 20:29
Also have been researching chargers and the 25amp CTEK looks pretty good, but as asked already what chargers are the best value.
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Reply By: TassieDave - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 21:57

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 21:57
Why charge a AGM battery with a generator when you have your car's altinator's. I used to charge an AGM battery in a camper via jumper leads from the car. Hook up jumper leads, start car, disconnect positive battery termial on car's battery. An AGM battery will charge as fast as you can get current to it. Eg to about your altinater's rating. You could of course set up a much better and safer method with anderson plugs and isolators which I'm going to with our next van.
Dave
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Reply By: Mike DiD - Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 22:19

Tuesday, Nov 15, 2005 at 22:19
The best value 240volt-in switchmode 3-stage charger is this one for $99.
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=MB3612

It will charge up to 12 amps so it limits the initial current (Stage 1) to 1/4C for batteries larger than 50amphour.

You CAN boost-charge AGM batteries at high currents, but for long life you should limit current to 1/4C i.e less than 25 amps for a 100amphour battery.

Mike
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Reply By: Geoff-2 - Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 15:14

Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 15:14
Scott
every dealer I asked about a 3 stage charger gave me the same advice(buy a decent genny).

Brett
which brand of of 17amp charger did you run.

John
I have looked at the ctek also but they will not give me any warranty if used with my gmc generator.

Tassie dave,
I have heard of this before , but some say that a car alternator won't fully charge a deep cycle batt.
Mike
That charger Mb3612 is a dual stage, have you used it very often,what the xpurts say is that the switchmode chargers don't always fry straight but can suffer after repeated use, the voltage fluctuation keeps chipping away at the components until you get a failure.
Regards Geoff-2.
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Follow Up By: brett - Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 17:46

Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 17:46
I'm using a GSL, was a bit under $200 from memory. Is really only a 2 stage charger as doesn't current limit, but will not put out more than 17A which is fine for any decent sized battery, better than the 40A the battery get's from the alternator when it's flat ,which some people might consider a bit high for stage 1

www.gsl.com.au
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 20:40

Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 20:40
Absolutely!

As someone above said: if you want a quality battery charging system you really should spend $2500 on it.

Mike Harding

Who owns a GMC gen, Jaycar charger (watch out for the 100V between neg and earth) and has 30 years experience in electronics design - but probably knows stuff all comapred to the "wisdom" on this forum.
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 21:15

Wednesday, Nov 16, 2005 at 21:15
Geoff-2 ,, some how some one HAS REALLY told you a mega load of bull ,, even the cheapest brand of AGM will take at no real detriment up to 15 volts , you want to get best life and use ??? use your vehicle to recharge or if the noise is not appropiate go solar, SOME blo-dy fool has told u that an AGM is deep cycle ,NOT SO!!! ,an AGM is a totaly better battery than a deep cycle as it can be used as sutch without the bulls--t required to recharge a "wet cell " deep cycle ,,
I have 3x 80amp Fullriver AGM in my c/t and 2x same under bonnet of the cruiser ,, charged by solar./ altenator / and occaisionaly by the 2 stroke genny.
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Follow Up By: Geoff-2 - Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 10:13

Thursday, Nov 17, 2005 at 10:13
Thanks fellows,
Roachie that is my concern, spending big bucks for a 3 stage charger and then cooking it with the genny,I do have solar as well, and I will take on board all of your suggestions,
Regards Geoff-2
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