Winching at an angle

Wizard, you are just not nice. Snatching Teddies is a realy bad thing to do. Just think of the consequences and all those dear little kids who are trying to get to sleep tonight because YOU snatched their Teddies. (Unless of course the Teddies you refer to are of the type that some women wear to bed whereas in that case Snatching Teddies is just fine)
As far as using a snatch block or even a snatch strap, I just won't go there. The connetations on this site are just too mutch to think about.

Exactly what I have to do whenever we go to Ulladulla to visit Annette's oldies. Their front yard is on a bit of a slope and grassy. I can "roll" the camper trailer into the right spot, but can't get the Patrol down to it to hook up when time to leave. So, use the snatch block onto a convenient small tree in garden and winch the camper back up to the driveway and then hook up...........too easy.

"but can't get the Patrol down to it to hook up when time to leave"
Just before Pesty gets in, We always new the trol couldn't pull the skin of a custard. I could lend you the 50 to do the job if you like.
By the way, how's the Turbo going.

thanks for the offer Des....actually I reckon Elaine's scoobardoo would be a better proposition as it would have a tighter turning circle and I could probably use it to get the camper out of the yard. So, next time we go over there, I'll let you know, so we can work out how you're gunna get the little wagon over there for me!!!! hahaha

New turbo is going well....seems to have more grunt (but that might just be my imagination). Sounds HORN though!!! hehehe

Cheers mate

Roachie

If there are no trees around, you can bury a spare tire and rig off it.

I don't think I've ever seen a Teddy's snatch!!!!!!!!!!

Don't recall seeing a Teddy with a map of Tasmania either for that matter.

I think Teddies would get lost in Tasmania unless they used a braille type map. They tend to go straight up the Derwent through Paradise and end up in a bit of a mess.

Roachie, I think you are thinking of strictly the darker Brazillian teddies aren't you? Rather than the fairer ones that Wombat was professing to rescue?

I tend to think Des is thinking in Amazonian terms too, though is just as likely going to get into jungle problems.

Really? Using a spare tyre as an anchor would be strong enough to hold fast whilst winching three tonnes of stuck truck?

Even if it did you then have to dig the bugger up.

Yeah it works allright, just need to make sure the hole is at the right angle in th ground. In sand you just put it in a bit deeper. Of course you would only do it if you had to. Just winch it out from the reverse angle when you're finished.

After using a winch and snatch block to pull a perfectly good very well anchred large shrub from the ground i would say a buried spare wouldnt have a snowflakes of getting a decently bogged vehicle out - perhaps just for a loss of traction style bogging

One day when you have nothing better to do, dig yourself a nice hole about the width of your tyre across the tread and long enough to accomodate the tyre and deep enough to bury the tyre most of the way.

Make sure the tyre is angled backwards a bit.

Whack a piece of something solid behind the centre of the wheel and tie off your snatch block. Pack the sand in well in front of the tyre

Give it a go and see what you reckon

Answer 1 - Your stuffed unless you dig your spare tyre in or build a holdfast using star pickets and rope

Answer 2 - contact a Physicist!

Answer 3 - get white teddie to get it out herself!

Oh, I have a question...What would you have done if you were really in this situation and had no access to the internet?

Quote: "Oh, I have a question...What would you have done if you were really in this situation and had no access to the internet? "

Answer would seem obvious to most of us: White Teddy would have done what Marilyn M would have done.......forget about getting out of the predicament and jump in the back seat with brown teddy/s and do what teddies would do if they could do....lolol

I am (will be) in this exact predicament at some time in the next two months except that the little yellow car owned by the delectable Miss White Teddy in the illustration will be actually two very old, very big and very heavy vintage cars which are about to get a new home after 15 years. The problems will be exacerbated by the fact that these cars are at 90 degrees to Miss Teddy's and therefore will have to be dragged out sideways. I suppose without the added benefit of the collective wisdom of the ExporOz forum I would have muddled my way through and probably come to a similar outcome . . . but now I can attack the scenario safe in the knowledge that according to those who have done it before, including the great Wizard of Oz, my modus operandi is correct. After all one of your most famous quotes is "Why, anybody can have a brain. That's a very mediocre commodity. Every pusillanimous creature that crawls on the Earth or slinks through slimy seas has a brain. Back where I come from, we have universities, seats of great learning, where men go to become great thinkers. And when they come out, they think deep thoughts and with no more brains than you have. But they have one thing you haven't got: a diploma." I now feel as though I have my diploma.

Keep in mind that you are increasing the load by angling your winch line.If you can put another snatch block on the stuck vehicle and two part your load line you can decrease the haul line tension and hook strain at your snatch block. this will help to keep your pare tire in the ground. The more parts you make the lower the haul line tension and hook strain. The quick formula for a two parted line is:HL=1.1xweight/#of parts. Your hook strain increases as you decrease the angle on the block, a 90 degree angle increases your hook strain by 1.41.

By increasing the load Dagoboy means increasing the load on the *snatch block. The winch has the same load ( with some losses due snatch block sheave friction) as it would have in a straight pull.
The load on the snatch block itself (and its anchoring point) increases by 1.41x for a 90 deg change of pull and goes up to 2x with a 180 deg change of pull direction.

Because of this, putting another block on the stuck vehicle does indeed decrease the haul line tension but NOT the load on the snatch block, which now has to take the strain of 3 ropes.
Klaus

Actually the formula for hook strain of parted blocks is:HS=Haul line(winch line) + weight of load. Whenthe number of parts supporting the load increases, the hook strain and haul line tensions decrease.

Quite frankly, I don't think any White Teddy is worth all the hassle. She is obviously high maintenance and life would be one continuous Pandaering to her wants. I think a slighly scuffed and soiled model would be more realistic as she doesn't mind getting her paws dirty and she already knows what she wants and how to go and get it. Perhaps Dagoboy could shed some light on the European versions. i.e. do they shave their armpits nowadays etc.

Actually now that it looks like that I say Get a good run at her and put the bull bar to work. Straighten out the body and paint when you get home. Dagoboy is from California, DAGO, is short for San Diego. Plus I'm half italian too. And if you drive a big Dodge Ram 3500 with the 6.0 liter Cummins turbo diesel, well you can stuff alot of teddies in there.

From your picture - I can count at least 12 brown teddies. How strong are they?
Maybe 6 teddies an each side could just lift the car and move it to a more favourable spot.

What you can't see in the picture Jay Gee is that some of the teddies are disabled. The front three don't have any legs and the bloke at the back only has one arm and one leg, so apart from using them as wheel chocks they're absolutely no use.

Thanks for the offer Steve, it is very much appreciated, but I'm looking at this being a learning experience. I haven't managed to get myself stuck enough to use my hand winch and snatch block yet so this will be an exercise in learning both the winch and my capabilities for if they are ever required out on the wallaby. Of course you are welcome to come along and drink my beer whilst offering constructive advice and laughing at me.

mate a bit of a laugh and advice but always watching to learn and nothing vindictive in the laugh because we are all in the same boat trying to figure the angles

steve