Caravan level
Submitted: Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 20:46
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Big Bill
Hi.
I have a Ford Explorer with a Ford towing kit.
From the ground to the towbar hitch measures 440mm.
When my 2003 Jayco Freedom pop top is set parrallel to the ground the measurement to the underside of the coupling is 380mm, which means that the van is leaning backwards by app. 60mm when attached to the car.
The stub axel is welded to the underside of the axel,and when I inquired at the caravan
shop, it was suggested to spin the axel around so that the stub axel "sits" on the top.
Is it ok to do that ??????
It will make the van is just about perfect level when hicthed on.
Kind regards
Bill
Reply By: Ray Bates - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 21:02
Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 21:02
Hi Big Bill,
I would not do that. All your weight will be on the 'U' bolts. Try fixing your problem on the tow or draw bar
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 22:00
Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 22:00
Bill,
The main problem with altering anything on the van is that it may not then meet the compliance requirements , and put your insurance in jeopardy.
The tow bar might be the best solution, and I would see a Jayco dealer about a towbar hitch that would suit.
They see these things all the time and , I'm sure, would have a solution that would be suitable .
Pedro
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Reply By: atoyot - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 21:46
Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 21:46
A much simpler way of solving the problem might be to either get an adjustable ball mount (assuming that it is a 50mm square shank hitch), or get another gooseneck made to lower the ballmount by the 60 odd mm,
regards
Andrew
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Reply By: Dave ....Adelaide - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 21:58
Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 21:58
Hi Bill
I also have a jayco freedom poptop ,
mine is a 2004 model , but i dont believe there is much difference, as my b/inlaw has a 2005 model , basically same van , we both tow with 4wds and also experienced the same prob as you, to rectify this we actually had the axle placed under
the springs instead of on top.....i have spoken to numerous people who have done this with no probs , and recently i had to have some warranty work done , and the person doing the work commented on how many people actually have this done when they purchase their vans , hope this helps , email me if you wish ......borgyathypermaxdotnetdotau.........Cheers ....DAVE
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Reply By: Member - Reiner G (QLD) - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 22:45
Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 22:45
axle on top or underneath no problem either way. Have a look on cars..... my landcruiser has the axle on top of
the springs.
I build camper trailers and fit axle top or bottom like the caravan and trailer industry has done for ever.
The cheapest solution without any disadvantages.
Just reading your posting again...... turning the stub no problem either.
Reiner
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Follow Up By: Dave ....Adelaide - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 22:53
Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 22:53
Hi Reiner
I was actually going to turn the stub as you stated ,but Jayco advised against this ...something to do with the camber ???something like that anyway .....Cheers ....Dave
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 23:11
Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 23:11
Something to be aware of is assuming you have a rollout awning which already has annexe walls made for it then they won't fit correctly and neither will the draft strip down the side of the van inside the annexe.
If your hitch is a square hitch receiver type, use a Hayman Reece cam lock adjustable head unit. It allows the ball to be raised and lowered on a series of holes. This same head unit is used in their level ride system and is a "must have" in my opinion when towing caravans.
Regards Andrew.
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Reply By: Member - Reiner G (QLD) - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 23:05
Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 23:05
I'm sure it all depends on who you talk to. I would ring People like Vehicle Components and ask the ones in the Trade.
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Reply By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 23:12
Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 23:12
Dave,
See my comments above re compliance.
I too have a 94 Jayco poptop , and whilst what you did was suggested to me enquires made pointed out the problem with claiming on insurance, when van did not comply .
Jayco confirmed that the coupling height on van needed to be a certain height and their compliance plate met this requirement. They were unable to change this coupling height after manufacture .
This site
http://www.dotars.gov.au/transreg/vsb/vsb_01_b.aspx
sets out that couplings on vans up to 3.5 tonnes must be between 350mm and 420mm.
Pedro
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Follow Up By: Dave ....Adelaide - Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 23:45
Monday, Nov 21, 2005 at 23:45
12.2.1 50mm Ball Couplings
Ball couplings used on trailers with an ATM of up to 3.5 tonnes must comply with the Australian Standard AS 4177.3-1994 and be installed so that the height of the centre of the body of the ball coupling is between 350mm and 420mm from the ground when laden.
Hi Pete
You had me wondering so i went out and measured my van , it came in at 420mm unladen , so should be ok ......Cheers ....Dave
P.S am going to give our local RTA a call tomorrow though ...just to be sure
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Reply By: Member - Peter R (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 08:07
Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 08:07
Dave,
Please keep us posted on results, as i too need to have van lifted but have been put off at every turn by the compliance issue.
Would also suggest a phantom phone call to your insurance company to ask about modifying a van.
Pedro
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 08:38
Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 08:38
I understand from experts I have talked to, most caravans and trailers are set up with a little bit of toe in so they tow better.
Flipping the axle over will give you toe out. Not good.
But, if you flipped the axle over and then turned it around end for end, passenger to drivers side, you would still have toe in!
Have the same problem with my new camper trailer, except the tow ball is too low, so am getting a new tongue made up. Turning the tongue over to a high position didn't help.
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Reply By: blown4by - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 10:41
Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 10:41
Firstly I am not sure if you mean the stub axle is welded to the axle beam, as some caravans are, or if you mean the axle with the stubs machined on each end to take the bearings, etc is a one piece square axle. So are you proposing to simply turn the axle 180 degrees so the stubs are on top to lower the van or are you going to actually sit the axle on top of
the springs which I assume a leaf type rather than underneath ther springs. Either way, underslung or overslung axles are no problem and is common practice especially on heavy transport equip to get heights as low as possible. If the axle is cambered, which I doubt, you can get it re-cambered if necessary. All they do, shock horror, is press the camber in to it by bending it slightly so that when loaded it becomes straight again. If you are taking the axle from an underslung position and putting it on top og
the springs camber will remain the same. If you are going to spin the axle 180 degrees then that is a different story. I wouldn't worry too much about being withing the ball height range of 380 to 420mm or whatever it is, the main thing is that your van and towing vehicle are set up correctly. That quoted range is more for compatability vehicle to vehicle I believe. I also agree with the comments re Hayman Reese varaiable ball height and load balancing hitches. I have used one towing two horses, 2300Kg all up, and they are invaluable and take weight off the trailer
wheels and car rear
wheels and transfer it to the car front
wheels. Better steering, braking, tows level, headlamps and trying to spot planes and uses less fuel. Good luck
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Reply By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 14:26
Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 14:26
If you have a Hayman Reece style hitch, why don't you just go to your local trailer/caravan place and buy a tongue assembly with a greater drop on it... Shouldn't be more than about $60 or $70. I have a level one for the camper and one with nearly 6" of drop for the box trailer.
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Reply By: Spade Newsom - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 18:48
Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 18:48
I was reading an article in a boating magazine regarding towing large boats. There was a strong recommendation that the boat trailer not be horizontal when connected. The trailer should be angled around 5 - 8 degrees downward so the rear of the trailer is slightly higher than the front.
The rationale was that in a breaking situation the weight of trailer, (a breaked trailer), would marginally push downwards giving the vehicle more traction.
Can't say I remember the detail, maybe someone else has information on this.
Spade
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Follow Up By: Spade Newsom - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 18:52
Tuesday, Nov 22, 2005 at 18:52
A follow up...
I'm sure the article went on to say that too big an angle could cause, again in a breaking situation, the weight to come off the front wheels and lose steering. A trailer angled upwards could lift too much weight off the rear wheel of the vehicle and again affect breaking.
Seems something
well worth getting right especially on something over 2tonne.
Spade
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