mac ibook power requirements and camping
Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 11:02
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Hi guys
I intend to take a
camping holiday in Tasmania and would like to take my laptop, to play music, view dvd's and tranfer pics from a digital camera. It is an Ibook g4.
My question is should I buy an inverter or is there a way to run it from the 12 volt system. Secondly if I buy an inverter then what size should I buy/
Thanks for any information
Kevin
Reply By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 12:04
Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 12:04
Warek - most 12v car adapters for the iBook (like those from McAlly, etc) are more expensive (as far as I've found) than a 300W modified sine wave inverter - which you can use for other things too. Some will say that you shouldn't put a laptop 240v adapter on to a modified sine wave inverter (claiming that it's bad for the electronics) and these people, in my humble opinion - are wrong. I've run my G4 PowerBook off one for years.... on dozens of trips away. It still runs just fine. Best thing - you can pick them up for around the $50-60 mark in most
places like SuperCheap and Repco.
If you prefer - you may want to go for a pure sine wave inverter, and these can be bought off eBay at around the $240 mark for a 500W job - and less for a smaller one.
Cheers
Chris
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Reply By: Ken - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 12:23
Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 12:23
Warek, have you considered the use of one of the small selectable output switch mode supplies that plug into the lighter socket. I use one for my IBM laptop.
An inverter for this application is a bit like a sledge hammer to crack nuts in my view. Cost for small switch mode laptop power supply about $30 on Ebay. An inverter 300 watts pure sine wave $250.
Ken
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Reply By: myfourby - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 13:14
Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 13:14
There are 1000's of post on this topic already - do a search.
General answer is to use a Kerio (or similar) laptop plug in inverter that universally inverts to your lappys voltage. If you use a general 300W inverter etc.. you will need a pure sine wave inverter (more expensive) - or you will risk computer damage - also there is an overhead of at least 1-2 amp's using such
inverters (to run fans etc...)
-myfourby
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Reply By: ChrisGU - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 13:24
Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 13:24
I've got a 15" powerbook i take around the place with me and i've found a 150w inverter has been fine. have used it for years with no problems. i've used it while stationary as
well as while driving. I also use it to charge the ipod, camera batteries etc. it was around $70 which is about the same price as an ipod cig charger and i can get a lot more use out of it.
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Follow Up By: myfourby - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 15:17
Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 15:17
Using a cheap inverter (non sine wave) is risking damage to your computer - a risk I have previously taken and lost out on.
I'm not sure of the technical reason - however I beleive it damages the power pack - which can then damage your laptop.
You will alway pay the price of the 1-2 amps to run such an inverter over a kerio or jaycar unit for example.
-myfourby
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Reply By: David T - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 13:47
Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 13:47
I have powered my G4 Powerbook via a MODIFIED SINE WAVE inverter and have had no problems.
Just looked at the plug pack for my power book - produces 24 volts at 1.875amps - roughly 50 watts of power when you allow for inefficiencies.
This correlates with the power consumption I measured when I tested what the inverter was consuming to run the computer:
Charging alone, computer off was about 3-4 amps
Computer on was 4-5 amps
Playing a DVD was 5-6 amps - remember this will be your highest energy consumption wth the processor, DVD drive, screen and speakers all working at once...
Personally, I think the inverter is the way to go - means you can charge lots of things, and not worry about buying multiple 12 volt adaptors for what are now becoming disposable items - would need to buy a new 12 volt adaptor every couple of years as you buy new computers, cameras, GPS, phones, etc, etc, etc...
Cheers
David
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Follow Up By: myfourby - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 15:13
Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 15:13
Good point - however you will always have an overhead of 1-2 amps using these
inverters. You need to decide if you're willing to pay that price.
-myfourby
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Reply By: atoyot - Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 22:17
Wednesday, Nov 23, 2005 at 22:17
There are plenty of people in the portable power industry that will tell you that running a laptop from a modified sine wave inverter intermittently is fine, but there is a risk that running it for extended periods will eventually damage the battery pack. Try here and here (look for Appliance and Load under Product Navigation). I'm sure there are people that have had problems with batteries ceasing to work and others that have had no problems, but the experts (I'm not one by any stretch of the imagination) advise intermittent use only or you may damage the battery packs. I know of a couple of people that have stuffed battery packs, and some that havn't. How much for a new battery pack, then just weigh up the risks.
Andrew
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