negative switching for highbeams on new hilux

Submitted: Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 19:41
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Trying to install my old IPF driving lights on to the new 05 hilux. I say trying because I'm not having much success.

When I set everything up the way I had them on the old truck if I turn the headlights on (low beam) the IPF's are off.
When I flick the highbeam on, the hibeam's and the IPF's come on.

(So far so good)

BUT!!!!!!!!!

When I turn off the headlights and parkers the IPF's come on again and stay on!

(Sigh!!!!)

I read in the archives about negative switching and It's got me baffeled.

PS:

The IPF's are earthing to the bullbar! (Same as the old truck)
Changed the relay (both new both do same thing)

Any help would be greatly apprecieated

Scott

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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 21:53

Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 21:53
Can you use a double pole relay to switch both pos and neg? Where do you pick up your feed for the relay from? Its tricky but if you branch from the high beam wire neg or pos back thru a switch in the cabin and out to the relay with a doubl;e pole relay you should be right.

Take a look at this schmick lnk, Lucy sent me this its very useful. Look down the bottom for ground switched systems.

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Follow Up By: scottp - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 23:23

Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 23:23
thanks bonz.

Could be as simple as buying the specific relay for the job.

If i was an auto elec,that is what i would want.

I'll give it a go over the weekend and let u know.
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Reply By: Eric Experience. - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 22:39

Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 22:39
Scott.
You have a modern vehicle which has wiring to the new safety standards.
Wiring your driving lights is dead easy, just connect the relay coil across the high beam filament via your dash switch. Eric.
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Follow Up By: scottp - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 23:20

Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 23:20
the probem seems to be that the feed\active\+ is always active and the earth\negative is the switch.

" high beam filament"?

sorry, not sure what u mean?
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Follow Up By: Eric Experience. - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 23:41

Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 23:41
Scott.
The high beam filament has 2 wires to it. take a wire from one of these wires to one side of the relay coil, take a second wire from the other side of the filament to one terminal of your switch, then run a wire from the other terminal of your switch to the other side of the relay coil. do not connect anything to earth or negative. Eric
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 03:32

Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 03:32
Hi Scott, Eric’s idea is the quickest and easiest way to control driving lights from either negative or positive switched headlight systems.

The address bellow will show you how wire them into either neg or pos headlight wiring and put a switch in to control the driving lights

Driving light wiring
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Reply By: OLDMAGPIE - Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 22:44

Friday, Nov 25, 2005 at 22:44
i dont know wether this will help or not but i had a similar problem & it had to do with reading the numbers with the corresponding terminals the correct way on the relays that schmik link says it all
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Reply By: mattie - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 11:18

Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 11:18
Hi scottp
had the same trouble with my 95 hilux hooked it all up how i have always done and the spotties worked whislt on low beam an dnot on high beam!
So i just hooked up to the powered wire when the lights were on low beam instead, did 120,000 k's in couple of yrs and had no trouble.

Mattie
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Reply By: mattie - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 12:01

Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 12:01
Hi scottp
had the same trouble with my 95 hilux, hooked it all up how i have always done and the spotties worked whislt on low beam and not on high beam!
So i just hooked up to the powered wire when the lights were on low beam instead, did 120,000 k's in couple of yrs and had no trouble.

Mattie
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Reply By: scottp - Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 13:13

Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 13:13
thanks for the Advice guys!

Drivesafe and his wiring diagrams clarified the proberlem.

I had to connect the relays number 85 to the feed\positive and not to the earth!

thanks again.

now, on to the dual battery system.
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 17:52

Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 17:52
Where are you starting from, absolute beginning or do you have some of the gear already.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: scottp - Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 21:39

Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 21:39
have a piranha db180+

Pulled it out ot the old ute. Have fitted the isolator and the monitor today, but with the old ute just used to sit the 220 amp cattapilla lead acid batt in the back of the ute just behind the cab. Haven't quite decided on the the battery but am definitly going to put one under the hood, (the t\diesel allows for a n70\12 inch batt). Giong to 1770 to meet up with a mate for some fishing on the 3rd and he works for cat. Think he moght have another battery coming my way. But if I have to buy one I think I am going to go for a lifeling agm to put under the hood and set up the system so i can still throw the 220 a\h in the back of the ute for the big trips and when we are running the engels as freezers to bring home all the fish.

Want ti install a couple of power outlest under the back seat of the luxie, but was at BCF on sat and they are selling a single switched engel p\point with a wire extention to the batt for $90. I NEARLY CHOKED and walked out. There has to be a much cheaper and possibly better option.

Any comments?

BTW thanks for the wiring diagram, I knew it had to be something simple.

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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Monday, Nov 28, 2005 at 07:09

Monday, Nov 28, 2005 at 07:09
Hi scottp, even though it’s a Landy site, most of the info is pretty well common place for any 4x4 and in the not too distant future we hope to do a project on setting up a dual battery system but unfortunately it will be to late to help you now.

As for the power outlets, there are two simple ways of doing it yourself.

In both cases, run some decent twin cable to the back of your 4by, say twin 6mm automotive cable. That’s a fairly common size cable to come by and don’t forget to put a blade fuse holder at the battery end of the cable.

You can then either fit standard cigarette lighter power sockets, their rated at between 10 and 16 amps but with any cigarette power socket there is the problem of the plug vibrating out.

The other cheaper alternative is to fit Anderson Power poles. The small ones are rated at 20 amps and come in a red and a black plug that are designed to be fitted together in different configuration, but are usually just made up as pairs, which is how you would use them.

The Power Poles are easy to fit to the cable, just solder the terminals on the end and plug everything together.

The biggest advantage to using the Power Poles is that once connected together, they won’t rattle apart. Add the higher current rating and then the fact that they are not set up as a male and female connection but as a mirror connection which means, even though they are polarised, you put the same plugs on all the different cables you want to connect, weather the cable is coming from the battery or from the device you want to power and everything connects the same.

A set of 2 red and 2 black Power Poles and terminals will set you back about $10 dollars, which is cheaper than a cigarette plug and socket.

You should be able to do the lot ( with 2 outlets ) for under $50 and it will probably be a better set up.

hope this helps and cheers
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