Autofridge power supply
Submitted: Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 10:23
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SmithyWA
I have a 39L Autofridge which most would realise is 12v only. I am looking for an economical power supply so I can run the fridge in the house from 240v.
Don't really want to spend $240 or so on the transformer that Quirks sell. Can someone here suggest a cost effective solution.
I think the fridge would draw no more than about 8 amps at full load
Compressor is the Danfoss DB35.
Thanks in advance
Mark
Reply By: Member - Chrispy (NSW) - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 10:46
Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 10:46
Mark - I use a 12v battery charger that I bought a while ago from SupaCheap for around $69.00. It has a ciggy plug rated to 12 amps on the front in addition to the charger plugs to the battery. Does me for both jobs.
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 10:57
Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 10:57
I got a Waeco 240v - 12v transformer (or whatever it was called) from Big W a few years ago and used it on my 39l Engel Traveller right up until I sold it a few months ago.
Well under $100, but can't recall the exact price. It had a ciggie lighter socket which I replaced for a Hella type fitting.
JE
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Reply By: Jimbo - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 10:57
Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 10:57
Mark,
Super Cheap have an 8 amp power supply for $70. It is called a Pure-Smartpower Adaptor LP-1280. The Product code on my register receipt is 103501 so that they can look it up on the computer if they don't have one in stock (I haven't seen a lot of them).
I've had
mine for 4 months and it works a treat on my Waeco 80.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 13:45
Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 13:45
Very good fridge.
I bought an engel about 10 years back then discovered the autofridge when the engel dies Ill buy one.
all the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 14:52
Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 14:52
Hi Eric , Re : 73 litre Autofridge
I have one and find that because the fridge works by freezing the sides, anything left against the sides is likely to freeze up . I have solved the problem by putting high density foam ( 1 cm thick ) at one end and halfway along each side so I can stop some things freezing but let the meat etc at the other end freeze up .
I love it though , because it only needs to run for an hour in the morning and an hour at night to keep a good fridge temp. I have installed an auto on /off timer that puts it on and off for those two hours every day, as I kept forgetting to do it .
Cheers ,
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Rosco - Qld - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 15:47
Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 15:47
>>>> discovered the autofridge
I thought Wankin was a city in China .... until I discovered Smirnoff
....... ;-))
Cheers cob
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 10:03
Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 10:03
Reminds me of the Chinese Couple who got divorced;
The wife went back to Peking,
The husband went back to wanking.
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Reply By: cruiser - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 17:55
Reply By: joc45 - Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 18:04
Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 18:04
Hi Mark,
If you're handy with electricals, you can try this for zilch outlay;
If you have an old computer you are throwing out, check the power suppy inside it. Check the label on the power supply. If it's 200w or greater, or the quoted +12v output is about 8A or more, then you should be able to use this to run the fridge. Most computer power supplies will need a small load (say, about 1A) on the +5v supply, otherwise the supply won't start up properly. Just connect a 12v 21w globe across this 5v output, this will give enough load. The +5v will most likely be the red wires, otherwise it will be the coloured wires other than black with the most number of leads. Check with a meter that the suppy is working. Identify the +12v supply; the black lead will be negative, so using a meter, find the +12v, most likely
orange or yellow. Don't confuse it with the -12v supply, which is usually only about 0.5A output. Another way to identify the leads is to check the plugs for the hard drives - black will be earth, red will be most likely +5v and the remaining colour will be the +12v. Then connect the fridge to the +12v output.
I've been running my Autofridge like this for the last few years, no probs.
If it doesn't work for you, then nothing is lost, hey?
Just make sure that you sort out the mains side of it so there is no chance of electroplating yourself.
Don't try to charge a battery from this supply, tho. A good chance the supply will cr@p itself.
I think there have been articles written about this on the web, but lost track of them.
Cheers, Gerry
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Reply By: rolande- Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 21:18
Saturday, Nov 26, 2005 at 21:18
G'Day Mark,
I just use an
old car battery which I connect the autofridge to and then put the battery doc charger on the battery, the charger is rated to about 3 amp.
Have run it continuously for three weeks to test when I first set it up, worked no probs.
Already had all the bits so cost me nothing to set up
Regards
Rolande
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Reply By: Member - AdrianLR (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 09:52
Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 09:52
Mark,
I've got the 39L - fantastic fridge. I tried the PC power supply as someone else suggested but it kept tripping due to the higher start up current required. I now use a switchmode power supply from Jaycar Techstore which was $49 on special for a 12A continuous unit. It's a "bare" supply so you need to put it into a cabinet with fuses etc. I even toyed with the idea of fitting it inside the fridge but decided on the easier external route in the end.
Otherwise Jimbo's suggestion is probably the most cost effective.
Adrian
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Reply By: SmithyWA - Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 10:33
Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 10:33
Thanks to everyone here who has replied. I think the Supacheap gizmo will do the job. Don't mind spending $70 or so. Electronics are not my specialty so I think the old PC power supply might be toying with danger where I am concerned ;-)
Cheers everyone.
Mark
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 15:47
Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 15:47
your going to buy a cheap gizmo....compressors need in-rush current...the running current is not that...if the compressor stops at dead top centre the amount of current it draws is upto 7 times full load running current....whatever you use must be able to supply this in-rush...
you risk doing your $$ by using something that is not purpose built.....which these cheaper devices are not...ask the retailer if its coverd by warranty if you use to power up a 12v car fridge?????my guess is that he will give you a resouding NO!
also in the event of extra high condesing temps the compressor could stall on start up create other problems
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 17:24
Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 17:24
Autofridge uses the Danfoss BD35 compressor , Fridgeshop sells the Mobitronic convertor for same motor for $79 , as Nudie says better with the correct power supply ,less chance of effing up your fridge all for the sake of an extra $9 or so.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 17:42
Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 17:42
Nudie ,
If the Mobitronic is $79 and does the job , what has the Quirks one got in it that makes it worth $240 . Or is it a bit of a rip-off ?
Thanks ,
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 18:56
Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 18:56
Nudie,
In response to your concerns.
Yes it is warranted for fridges. It says on the box that it comes in "Suitable for 12 volt car fridge/freezers". Further, it has performed faultlessly running a Waeco CF 80 (Danfoss BD 50).
Alloy,
The Mobiltronics $79 job is only 5 amps. The Super Cheap $70 one is 8 amps. Due to its small size I believe it is a switchmode power supply.
Cheers,
Jim.
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Monday, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:07
Monday, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:07
Willie...dunno never seen them.......But as Jimbo says yes they are warranted...so I guess its alright to use.... Jimbo, does it specifically say compressor type fridges or is it meaning those peltior type??
for 80 bucks or so it does give me suspicion to wonder if its capable of providing the grunt to start a compressor?........I'm just going from what it cost me to build one (a 240vac to 13.8vdc power supply) about 6yrs ago after my first tranny gave up the ghost after it was determined a tad too small...and that was $110 just for the tranny and then I had to get the ac to dc rectifer, add in a few ooziewhatsits and bob ya's uncle i had a 240vac -13.8 vdc supply....maybe its in the quality of the tranny.......but then again
mine is regulated...cant see that those cheapies are...but please correct me if i'm wrong..
even Jaycar wants $170.00 for a 240-12vdc 15amp surge regulated power supply...
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Monday, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:11
Monday, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:11
went and had a look at the fridge
shop site ...and they do say Kompressor (nonturbo type) fridges ...so it must be okay ...so now I know where to go and get one when the one I built sheits its self......
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Monday, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:12
Monday, Nov 28, 2005 at 08:12
Non turbo firdge? whats a turbo fridge...must be latest of something mmmm
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Reply By: Member - Banjo The First (SA) - Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 18:31
Sunday, Nov 27, 2005 at 18:31
Yep - the battery charger with the cig outlet on the front seems the go in my view - you have a charger and the 12V outlet in one -
mine was about $70 - my Waeco maxes at about 5.5A draw - cannot recall the cig outlet rating - just check that it exceeds your rated need.
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