NISSAN ZD30 SURVEY PLEASE READ

Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 22:25
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Hi Everyone,

Before you stop reading, this is not another rant about the ZD30 engine is, but hopefully a genuine attempt to sort some things out so please continue reading.

Ok, I think it is about time we got to the bottom of this Nissan ZD30 problem as it is just dragging on and on. And I do not know about you, but the longer it drags on the more doubt I have about the newer models. Let us not forget that we are talking about a potentially very serious problem which could have drastic consequences if it happens in the wrong place. From a personal point of view I am taking my 2005 Patrol to North Africa with my young family and I do not want to be sitting in a time bomb.

But the point of my post is to sort this out once and for all.

I do not want to hear rants about how much better Toyota is or any other make, this post is aimed at current or past owners of a Nissan Patrol 3.0 Td. If the new models are failing then Nissan has a major problem on its hands as they are putting this engine in all sorts of cars all over the world. If there is still a problem then I think it would be better to tackle it with hard facts and not rants about some bloke who lives in the next town knows someone whose patrol has blown up.

I also do not want a debate about what Nissan should have done this or that.

Lets look at the facts:

1)Nissan has acknowledged that there was a problem with the 2000/01 ZD30 engines.

Proof: They were replacing engines under circumstances that would normally not be covered under warranty. For example poorly maintained, over miles and out of warranty period.

2)Nissan are not extending this gesture to 2003 models and newer as they must genuinely believe the problem is fixed.

Now onto the scientific part, we now need to compile a database of model year etc and if at the end of this we do find that a trend is emerging in the newer model then we will have a good evidence to raise this issue with Nissan.

I propose to start this by asking the following questions:

If you can answer any of them then please post a reply and every couple of months we can update this database and if there is still a problem this will become apparent in no time.

Please remember, before you answer, NO second-hand reports this must have happened to you personally and the engine was officially diagnosed as having the piston problem. I also think it is important to keep a record of all the patrols which are still going as well to give us a idea of the expected mileage these engine can achieve.

1)What mileage has your 2000 3.0 Td done?
2)Any strange things happening at the moment to your engine? (Does not matter how trivial as if its happening to enough people it could be a clue)
3)What mileage had your 2000 3.0 Td done when it blew up?
4)If your 3.0 blew up what was the build date?
5)Did anything stand out as unusual before the engine blew up, it might seem trivial but if enough people noticed something a pattern might emerge.
6)What country?(This could be important in tracing the root of the problem)

1b) What mileage has your 2001 3.0 Td done?
2b) Any strange things happening at the moment to your engine? (Does not matter
how trivial as if its happening to enough people it could be a clue)
3b) What mileage had your 2001 3.0 Td done when it blew up?
4b) If your 3.0 blew up what was the build date?
5b) Did anything stand out as unusual before the engine blew up, it might seem
trivial but if enough people noticed something a pattern might emerge.
6b) What country?(This could be important in tracing the root of the problem)

REMEMBER FIRST HAND CONFIRMED CASES!

etc etc etc right up to 2006 model

I think you get the picture lets build up a factual account of this engine as we all have a lot of money invested in these machines, so sorry for sounding slightly abrupt but it really is time to get a clear picture about this engine and not random rants.

I will compile all the results as they come in and will update this every 3 months, I will also post it regularly to keep the results coming in (any objections to this?).
But for this to work we need 100% Facts, so please no rants and hopefully at the end of this we will have a clearer picture, so it is important that the people with a 3.0 that is OK reply as well.

Hopefully this should shed some light and we get something worthwhile out of this. But unfortunately it is usually only when people have a problem with their car they post on these forums, so it is important for people with a 3.0, which is running fine to take part.

I am also going to post this on

http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/f10-gu-gr-nissan-patrol.html

So please do not reply twice.

Lets just see what comes out of this I know there are a lot of you out there, please take the time to answer any of the questions it is the only way this will work.
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Reply By: scottcamp - Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 22:27

Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 22:27
Ok i will kick this off:

2005 Patrol 3000(Miles) --4800 Km
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Follow Up By: scottcamp - Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 22:50

Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 22:50
Forgot, October 2005 build.
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Reply By: Leroy - Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 22:41

Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 22:41
the revised engine came out in the latter part of 2001. You really need to establish if the newer motor is in a 2001 vehicle or the old 3.0l. Also some may of already bought an early 3.0l patrol and had the engine change. One way to see if you have the newer engine, there is an extra oil sender under the turbo.

2004 - 35000k's (new g'box at 15000k's but I know that;s not important now...)

Leroy
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Reply By: Member - David 0- Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 22:43

Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 22:43
1b) What mileage has your 2001 3.0 Td done?

49000

2b) Any strange things happening at the moment to your engine? (Does not matter
how trivial as if its happening to enough people it could be a clue)

Very low on power on steep hills. Revs wont rise and therfore turbo doesn't spool up. The car just bogs down.

3b) What mileage had your 2001 3.0 Td done when it blew up?
Hasen't YET

6b) What country?(This could be important in tracing the root of the problem)
Australia
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 22:50

Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 22:50
MAF sensor???

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 23:01

Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 23:01
I think so
I want to check the fault code myself. have the method here but no idea where the ECU or diagnostic plug is, so looks like I will have to take it in to Nissan.

I will have to find it tho, becasue I want to be able to check it more frequently just to be sure.
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Follow Up By: hl - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 06:52

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 06:52
Hi,
There won't be a fault code for the Mass Airflow Meter if the engine check light hasn't come on. The connector for the diagnostic unit is under the dash near the steering column. You need to short out a couple of pins (left most and rightmost bottom pins) with the ignition set on. Note that it is REAL easy to erase any stored codes inadvertantly.
All the info is in the Gregory's manual and I would recommend you buy that before you attempt to read the codes. You can check if the airflow meter is working by driving with the plug pulled out. You will notice that car won't go very well at all....
As for overfueling, I think if the AF meter did cause that if it failed, one would expect lots of black smoke if it was bad enough to blow the engine.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - David 0- Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 09:43

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 09:43
Hi

The engine warning light s not on.
I have the info from the manual, just that bit about obtaining codes inclusing pin locations on plug.-just didn;t know location of ECU and plug.
Thanks for that info.
Everyone I know with a ZD30 who has reported a dead MAF said they didn't notice black smoke just poor performance.

Cheers

David O
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Follow Up By: hl - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:01

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:01
Hi again,

The engine check light will come on if the ECU sets an error code for most (but not all) sensor malfunctions. However, the light will not stay on if you turn the engine off and on again.
So, there can be a code set even though the light is not on. You can check if your AF meter is working (although it doesn't tell you it's in spec) by driving the car with the plug on it pulled out. You should notice a big difference, i.e. it will be very sluggish as the ECU will substitute default values (limp home mode) when it realizes the AF is shot.
This will of course set the error code and your light will come on.
Still, I think the issues with the ZD30 are rather more complex than just a simple sensor malfunction. Perhaps multiple causes. I am sure the engineers involved have examined many of the failed motors and know a lot more than can be "guessed" in a forum such as this.
The fact that the engine is very widely used and still in current production suggests that it really is not as big an issue as people make out.
Cheers
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Reply By: stano - Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 22:49

Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 22:49
2003 Patrol -July build -53000 km and absolutely no problems of any kind -Australia
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Reply By: nrb1748 - Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 22:59

Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 22:59
2000 3.0TD Patrol - July 2000 build - had dip stick upgrade at 1000 km service - 84,000 km's - no problems (has never had a spanner on it) - Australia
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Reply By: Member - John C (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 23:29

Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 23:29
Hi, Do not want to add details of my engine as it is 4.2 litre, but if you are going to collect data that may eventually end up at Nissan, suggest you collect the engine number of each response. This will confirm that there is no duplication and may shed light onto when the batch improved - hopefully!
Cheers
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Follow Up By: scottcamp - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 00:27

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 00:27
Good points John C,

But I think initially we should wait and see what sort of response we get. If we do determine there is still a major problem then we can take more details. But for now I think we should determine if there is actually a problem. If it has indeed been solved in the later cars then Nissan are no different form any of the other manufacturers. They all make mistakes at the beginning just different levels, Nissan now it will be some other make next.

I also think we should add in the offroad/road bias.
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Reply By: Member - Kingsley N (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 23:53

Tuesday, Jan 17, 2006 at 23:53
1) What mileage has your 2003.0 Td done?

59000KM

2) Any strange things happening at the moment to your engine? (Does not matter
how trivial as if its happening to enough people it could be a clue)

No

3 What mileage had your 2001 3.0 Td done when it blew up?
NA

4) If your 3.0 blew up what was the build date?
NA

5) Did anything stand out as unusual before the engine blew up, it might seem
trivial but if enough people noticed something a pattern might emerge.
NA

6) What country?(This could be important in tracing the root of the problem)
Australia

Note: surveys are only meaningful if a large enough sample is obtained. I would doubt that 5% of Nissan 4wd owners read this forum let alone respond to this survey.

This is half the problem. The doom and gloom merchants tend to dominate here.

Kings
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Follow Up By: scottcamp - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 00:12

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 00:12
I agree Kingsley,

The whole key is in the statistics but i am hoping that the silent happy patrol owner will fill their details in as they also must be starting to worry.

And just maybe we notice a trend, its worth a try.

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Reply By: Old Bugger - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 07:25

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 07:25
2001 zd30 with 96000km running as it should in Australia.
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Follow Up By: scottcamp - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 07:31

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 07:31
Hi Old Bugger,
As your car is in the suspect range do you know the build month?

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Reply By: Squizzy - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 07:42

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 07:42
1) What mileage has your 2003.0 Td done?

85000KM and then traded up to a 2005 3.0L in Feb 05. Had no troubles, and the 2005 model has now done 24,342km. (trip half way round the big island).

2) Any strange things happening at the moment to your engine? (Does not matter
how trivial as if its happening to enough people it could be a clue)

No

3 What mileage had your 2001 3.0 Td done when it blew up?
NA

4) If your 3.0 blew up what was the build date?
NA

5) Did anything stand out as unusual before the engine blew up, it might seem
trivial but if enough people noticed something a pattern might emerge.
NA

6) What country?(This could be important in tracing the root of the problem)
Australia

I'm not much help Scott, I hope you get your desired result.

Will you be posting your end result for all to see when you have enough data?

Geoff.
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Follow Up By: scottcamp - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:22

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:22
Hi Geoff,
100%, i will post the results, i will also keep going until we get enough cars to come to some conclusion. The response has been good so far, hopefully we can get a couple of hundred cars and this will give us a good idea, and we just keep updating it. There has been too much ranting about this engine, time to get some hard facts.

Thanks for your reply all info is usefull.
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Reply By: Old Bugger - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 07:49

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 07:49
Scottcamp, sorry to keep you waiting-was in the shower. I've had the Patrol since new and it's a Jan 2001 build. Has always run well.
Cheers, Ray.
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Reply By: Nudenut - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 07:51

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 07:51
scottcamp, just a thought...maybe a VIN number or serial no of engine so that you can sort out to remove double entries?
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Reply By: Redeye - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:09

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:09
1)What mileage has your 2000 3.0 Td done?

185,000

2)Any strange things happening at the moment to your engine? (Does not matter how trivial as if its happening to enough people it could be a clue)

New MAF (twice)

3)What mileage had your 2000 3.0 Td done when it blew up?

N/A

4)If your 3.0 blew up what was the build date?

N/A but buuilt in June 2000.

5)Did anything stand out as unusual before the engine blew up, it might seem trivial but if enough people noticed something a pattern might emerge.
N/A

6)What country?(This could be important in tracing the root of the problem)
Australia

Thanks
Redeye
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Reply By: Fusion - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:21

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:21
Dec 2004 Model - current shape & engine.

35,000km's

Problems: developed a squeak at Innamincka on start up that stopped after a while. Sounded like a small bird was stuck in the engine. Could only hear it if standing next to the engine. Nissan replaced the belt and tensioner at one of the services, said it's a common fix.

Aaron.
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Reply By: Outbacktourer - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:45

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:45
1)What mileage has your 7/2002 3.0 Td done?
67,000Km
2)Any strange things happening at the moment to your engine? (Does not matter how trivial as if its happening to enough people it could be a clue)
No
3)What mileage had your 2002 3.0 Td done when it blew up?
N/A
4)If your 3.0 blew up what was the build date?
N/A
5)Did anything stand out as unusual before the engine blew up, it might seem trivial but if enough people noticed something a pattern might emerge.
N/A
6)What country?(This could be important in tracing the root of the problem)
OZ

Good luck with the survey.
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Reply By: Andrew (Whyalla SA) - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:52

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 08:52
Are you a member of the Patrol4WD Yahoo Group?
There has been a poll running there for over 2 years with lots of responses.

a href="http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Patrol4WD/surveys?id=11106741">ZD30 Owners Poll

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Follow Up By: scottcamp - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 09:01

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 09:01
Hi Andrew,

Yes i am, but i think it is now moved on from the questions asked. We now need to seperate the old engines from new, and look for warning signs.
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Reply By: Snowy 3.0iTD - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:01

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:01
1) May 2003 3.0 iTD, 79,000 km (DTronic fitted)
2) No
3) NA
4) NA
5) NA
6) Australia

Without worrying about what might happen, it has performed perfectly so far.
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Reply By: Farside - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:08

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:08
Scott

1b) What mileage has your 2005 3.0 Td done?
22000km
2b) Any strange things happening at the moment to your engine? (Does not matter
how trivial as if its happening to enough people it could be a clue).
No, still running well.
3b) What mileage had your 2005 3.0 Td done when it blew up?
N/A
4b) If your 3.0 blew up what was the build date?
N/A
5b) Did anything stand out as unusual before the engine blew up, it might seem
trivial but if enough people noticed something a pattern might emerge.
Still Good
6b) What country?(This could be important in tracing the root of the problem)
Australia

Angus
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Reply By: snow - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 11:43

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 11:43
May 2003 Navara ZD30, 51000 km No problems.
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 12:00

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 12:00
2003 GU 3.0TD manual 55,000kms (50,000kms with Dtronic) - no problems

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 00:19

Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 00:19
Brother-in-law has 2002 GU 3.0TD auto with 100,000kms, no problems

Cheers

Captain
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Reply By: DARREN - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 12:45

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 12:45
1b) What mileage has your 2001 3.0 Td done?

80,000km

2b) Any strange things happening at the moment to your engine?

Nope

6b) What country?
Australia

Very happy owner :-)
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 15:21

Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 15:21
hey your's is an '03 model ol'boy!!

Leroy
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Follow Up By: DARREN - Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 15:24

Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 15:24
oops, yes it is
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Reply By: OldMike - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 15:51

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 15:51
1b) What mileage has your 2001 3.0 Td done?
164,000

2b) Any strange things happening at the moment to your engine? (Does not matter
how trivial as if its happening to enough people it could be a clue)
Turbo boost point seems to have mooved up the rev range a bit, will get the sensors checked as soon as I can.

3b) What mileage had your 2001 3.0 Td done when it blew up?
NA, still going

4b) If your 3.0 blew up what was the build date?
NA

5b) Did anything stand out as unusual before the engine blew up, it might seem
trivial but if enough people noticed something a pattern might emerge.
NA

6b) What country?(This could be important in tracing the root of the problem)
Australia

Stripped the splines on 5th gear at about 100,000

Hope this helps
Mike
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Reply By: Member - toohey - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 17:09

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 17:09
g'day scott
2003 navara,75000km,ditronic fitted,all oils,filters ,and coolant changed at half the mileage recomended by nissan.also has done a lot of k's towing a caravan.
australia
cheers toohey
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Follow Up By: Member - toohey - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 18:14

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 18:14
should have added no problems at all
cheers toohey
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Follow Up By: Member - toohey - Friday, Jan 20, 2006 at 08:26

Friday, Jan 20, 2006 at 08:26
something else that maybe relivant, nissan issued a directive to all service dept.in 2004 to only use 10-40 semi synthetic oil that meets acea B3 standards,this was in australia(i have a copy).
cheers toohey
p.s this was for all 3.0ltd motors.
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Reply By: RosscoH - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 17:24

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 17:24
Hi Scott,

8th month 2000 GU 3lt Auto, Bought in april 2005, 1 owner till then, had 100,000 kms on it, original owner towed an 18 ft van all over australia with it, now has 120,000km, been regularly dealer serviced all of its life, Still going like a train, very happy.

Cheers RosscoH
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Reply By: Nav 8 - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 17:34

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 17:34
GDay Scottcamp,, A great idea,

2003 Navara ZD30 Engine, 47000 Km
Small particals of metal noted in the oil at 40,000Km service, not detected at 45,000K service. Will check again at 50,000K service and report.
No obvious problems with engine operation.
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Reply By: AJB - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 20:17

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 20:17
1/ 195,000 kms
2/ Its being rebuilt!
3/ 195,000 kms
4/ 05/00
5/ Split number1 injector pipe about 2 weeks previously. It had also done it about 10 months earlier but on number 3.
6/ Australia.
7 Do you want a list of all other problems I have had with it?
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Follow Up By: AJB - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 20:20

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 20:20
And I'm wearing the cost about $7000!
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Follow Up By: scottcamp - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 21:10

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 21:10
Hi Ajb,
Sorry to hear about your problems but if this survey works out maybe we can save other people from the same fate. Already some usefull information is coming out of all the forums. If you do not mind i have a few questions.

Was the maintenance schedule stuck to, or did you change the oil more often or did the car skip services. Have you ever changed the MAF sensor?
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Follow Up By: scottcamp - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 21:51

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 21:51
Hi AJB,
Sorry for all the questions but can you tell me if you live or if the car spent most its life in Western Australia or Queensland?

Might seem a stange question but stick with me on this one.

Scott
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Follow Up By: AJB - Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 20:02

Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 20:02
Try a Follow Up Again.
Car was initially used in NSW around Newcastle (Ex NSW Police)
Rest of its life in East Gippsland.
Maintenance was kept up to date although not always by the dealer.
Oil changed very frequently when worked (towing) between 5000-7000k
Major services completed by Nissan.
Computer replaced at 85000
Air flow sensor changed twice about 110000 and 130000.
5th Gear let go at 143000
No 3 injector pipe split at 160000
No 1 injector pipe split at 190000
Engine destroyed at 195000
No assistance from Nissan on the last and most expensive problem.
It wil cost about $9000 but I am getting a new clutch plate fitted also.
The pump and injectors are also being 'looked at' as I think the overfuelling is the cause of the 'meltdowns'
The overall cost of the last problem is closer to $35000 as I have had to purchase another vehicle so I can keep working! Did I get another Nissan? Well like I say "You can shear a sheep all its life but you'll only skin it once"
Good Luck
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Reply By: scottcamp - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 21:28

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 21:28
Thats great everyone,

Keep them coming in we are getting lots of information from all the forums and even at this early stage a few items are beginning to stand out. But i need more information on the good and the bad. I need more high mileage examples from the early models and the 2002-2003 years. So far only one failed patrol, with all this talk on the forums there must be more than one First hand failed example.

So keep the figures coming in.
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Reply By: gregr - Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 22:10

Wednesday, Jan 18, 2006 at 22:10
ok
a 2001 feb build ser ii 3.0 l td - was slow and a bit of a dog
did 127 ,000 kms - with no probs at all
serviced each 5000 kms and took extended warranty due to the horror stories
fitted with a dtronic last 30,000 kms
big improvement with the dtronic - no longer a dog
good reliable solid vehicle

i traded it in in june 05 could notresist the deals about at that time
for a 2004 oct build series iv 3.0 l TD demo
with just under 10,000 kms on clock
that vehicle has now done 20,000 kms and no probs
better performing vehicle on the road than the 2001 ser ii
but much the same off road
i have no complaints at all re the zd 30 - 3.0 l td nissan patrols to date
both autos both good solid reliable 4wds
and naturally i hope it stays that way
but i admit i would have bought the 4.2 had it been available in an auto
as we tow a kk mariner camper
see you greg

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Reply By: crfan - Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 00:52

Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 00:52
Hi Scott have a customer that has replace 3 MAF's on his 2000 mod but no other probs so far .
Why are you doing this now after you have bought one should have done your home work before you spent the money.
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Follow Up By: scottcamp - Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 01:25

Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 01:25
Hi crfan,
The reason is because i honestly do not belive there is a problem with the new one, and the longer the survey goes on hopefully we can get to the bottom of all this. The whole survey idea is to try and find out what caused the early failures and already with limited info 2 very apparent items are standing out. One of these items are well know to be the death of diesel engines but until we get more info it is only a hunch. But that was the idea about the survey, lets find out what makes one model go bang and the other to keep running.

PS what mileage has the 2000 model done?
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Follow Up By: crfan - Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 01:42

Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 01:42
Hi Scott ,
They were all replaced before 107000kms it is 5\2000 mod.also they were about $700 each and Nissan wouldnt come to the party onany of them.
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Reply By: Muzzgit (WA) - Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 01:34

Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 01:34
Feb 2000 3.0 auto
just about to clock 110,000 KLM (purchased second hand with 64,000 on it)
Had trouble with dust getting past air filter within first month - tripped out computer many times over several weeks before getting it sorted. Was the MAFS!!!

Fitted a snorkel but have since replaced MAFS twice.
(when the mass air flow sensor stuffs up, the vehicle is slow, won't burn up hills like normal and won't kick back a gear when required, for overtaking landcruisers)

Australia
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Reply By: hl - Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 06:52

Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 06:52
Hi,

You should also ask if the truck is auto or manual. In an auto, it is not possible to "lug" the engine as it is in a manual. This may have an effect.
Cheers

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Reply By: Pattio - Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 10:23

Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 10:23
Hi Scottcamp

1] 2001 zd30 (build date March 2001) 97,000km with detronic for last 17,000km
Serviced by the book by Nissan dealer.

2] MAFS replaced at around 35,000km by dealers after many complaints,( power loss, turbo lag and high fuel consumption.) Same symptoms recently, replaced MAFS myself and returned to normal.

3]NA

4]NA-as above

5]NA

6] Australia-East coast. Happy owner with the package, but worried.

Regards Chris
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Reply By: Tracker Mick - Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 16:20

Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 16:20
January 2003 GU3
80,000km's
No problems as yet

Well done re survey and good luck.

Tracker Mick
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Reply By: Motherhen - Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 16:24

Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 16:24
OK Scottcamp

Jan 2002 - confirmed by Nissan as 'manufactured after the increases to the oil capacity'. Auto.

Travelled just over 100,000 and still going strong; no breakdowns or problems at all.

History: Purchased second hand at 46,000 kms March 2003. Previously owned by WA Education Department from new. It was based somewhere out in the desert with regular services done at Kalgoorlie & Alice Springs. Female driver. Hayman Reece tow hitch fitted and heavy duty suspension, but don't know if it was used for towing.

We have towed a heavy caravan for around 12,000 kms. We also have used it towing a light caravan and occasional trailer loads.

Got exhaust temp gauge fitted - minimal towing since.
Blew turbo hose when towing the caravan home uphill on gravel track, so recently fitted boost gauge. Happy with readings so far. MAF checked by mechanic and OK. Ready to tackle Tasmania.

After so many bad reports, it is good and re-assuring to read and hear occasional reports of higher kms in the suspect series. We see plenty of them out there on the road. Thanks for the thread. We would know nothing about this motor, it's problems, and monitoring gauges it it wasn't for you guys on ExplorOz.

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Reply By: 120scruiser - Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 21:17

Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 21:17
I have several customers with these vehicles.
My question is do you want the info off them?
I can give you about 6 to 8 if you want?
120scruiser.
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Follow Up By: 120scruiser - Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 21:18

Thursday, Jan 19, 2006 at 21:18
On second thoughts they are first hand so will post the results tomorrow from work.
Some good some not so good.
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Follow Up By: 120scruiser - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 14:04

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 14:04
1/ 10/01, 124 000km, ex police blew. Service intervals not known as bought second hand from government.
2/ 3/01, 83 000km, ex police. Service intervals not known as bought second hand from government.
3/ 5/00, 85 196km, not ex police but ex government bathurst council, service history not known same as above.
4/ 10/00 first saw vehicle at 80 000 km service and has been serviced that close to every 5000km using 10w/30 oil and upgraded to 10w/40 when nissan stated. Has now done 144 102km and still going good. It has had MAF sensor, Clutch replaced, alternator went, belt tensioner.
Still going strong and has now got a tunit.
5/ 10/02, 75 000km serviced every 5000km ex police and still going strong.
All vehicles are customers and this is first hand knowledge.
Hope this helps
120scruiser
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Reply By: jorgejhandal - Friday, Jan 20, 2006 at 02:54

Friday, Jan 20, 2006 at 02:54
1)What mileage has your 2000 3.0 Td done?
2)Any strange things happening at the moment to your engine? (Does not matter how trivial as if its happening to enough people it could be a clue)
3)What mileage had your 2000 3.0 Td done when it blew up? 65000K its 2003
4)If your 3.0 blew up what was the build date? dont know exactly but I think about mid _late 2003
5)Did anything stand out as unusual before the engine blew up, it might seem trivial but if enough people noticed something a pattern might emerge.
intercooler had been changed, the air mass sensor too, white smoke came out when the engine was on and the car was just parked,(did it sometimes)
sometimes when I turned it on the engine didnt turn on well the engine bounced back and forht like when the piston blew( did it 2 or 3 times a couple of months before.
6)What country? HOnduras central america

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Follow Up By: jorgejhandal - Friday, Jan 20, 2006 at 03:07

Friday, Jan 20, 2006 at 03:07
its manual
had dtronic fitted since 15000kms
23/4mandrell bent system since 55000K
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Follow Up By: jorgejhandal - Friday, Jan 20, 2006 at 14:47

Friday, Jan 20, 2006 at 14:47
I also know 2 people whose patrol blew like mine only theirs is 2001
2002 nissan would not change the engine to the 2001 had 160000K . the other was changed under gurantee
dont know if nissan will replace mine.

I went to a forum in spain ( if someone knows spanish you see several reports on engine failure one did it at 7000k other one had engine replaced in gurantee(cause of the model ) and the new engine blew right after 100000ks
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Follow Up By: jorgejhandal - Friday, Jan 20, 2006 at 14:53

Friday, Jan 20, 2006 at 14:53
forum is http://foros.4x4.nu/Patrolos/ in 3.0di click in it and youll read the info
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Reply By: Damon - Friday, Jan 20, 2006 at 11:12

Friday, Jan 20, 2006 at 11:12
1)What mileage has your 2002 3.0 Td done?
78000
2)Any strange things happening at the moment to your engine? (Does not matter how trivial as if its happening to enough people it could be a clue)
No (not on the new one)
3)What mileage had your 2002 3.0 Td done when it blew up?
70,000
4)If your 3.0 blew up what was the build date?
Sept 2002
5)Did anything stand out as unusual before the engine blew up, it might seem trivial but if enough people noticed something a pattern might emerge.
I noticed a slight drop in the coolant level. Few days later, started to make white smoke (lots of it). No big bang.
6)What country?(This could be important in tracing the root of the problem)
Australia
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Reply By: OldMike - Friday, Jan 20, 2006 at 22:21

Friday, Jan 20, 2006 at 22:21
Did reply origionally, so this is a revision

1)What mileage has your 2000 3.0 Td done?
170 000

2)Any strange things happening at the moment to your engine? (Does not matter how trivial as if its happening to enough people it could be a clue)
No, although the boost cut - in seems to have moved up the rev range a bit lately

3)What mileage had your 2000 3.0 Td done when it blew up?
N/a

4)If your 3.0 blew up what was the build date?
Still going build date = 11/2000

5)Did anything stand out as unusual before the engine blew up, it might seem trivial but if enough people noticed something a pattern might emerge.
N/a

6)What country?(This could be important in tracing the root of the problem)
Australia

Oil change and filter change every 5 - 7000...Now using the Nissan semi synthetic

mike
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Reply By: Old Bugger - Saturday, Jan 21, 2006 at 08:13

Saturday, Jan 21, 2006 at 08:13
Hi Scot, have already answered survey, but as requested, oil changes are at 10k as advised by dealership at time of purchase.
Cheers,Ray.
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Reply By: Patrolman Pat - Saturday, Jan 21, 2006 at 08:30

Saturday, Jan 21, 2006 at 08:30
Built 1/2003 Auto. 65000kms and no problems at all. South Oz.

Has just developeed a slight squeal when first taking off, from a previous post in this thread could be the belt tensioner. Will get 70000 service done by Nissan so they can check and rectify. All other services done elsewhere.
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Reply By: joeblogs - Saturday, Jan 21, 2006 at 08:55

Saturday, Jan 21, 2006 at 08:55
I have a may 2002 manual 3.0 patrol with 58000 klm on the clock have recently fitted dtronic, only problem so far is replacement of tensioner belt.
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Reply By: kim (mr) - Sunday, Jan 22, 2006 at 10:44

Sunday, Jan 22, 2006 at 10:44
Jul/2000 121,000km and still going.
Got it when it had done 60,000 with a good service hitory.
We have done oil every 5,000 since.
We did a lot of off roading with it up till about 100,000 when I got a 4.2, because of the following : 2 x air flow sensors, cracked intercooler and the diesel injection pump died.(All fixed under warranty but the fuel pump took alot of constant hassling, at one point I told them to keep the car as I didn't want it, and after about 2 months they came to the party.)
We have had over 20,000 kms of trouble free driving since it's been restricted to black top only.
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Reply By: Shep - Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 20:28

Monday, Jan 30, 2006 at 20:28
Scottcamp
Our build Dec2000 , Auto , Currently 97,000kms
Purchased @ 55,000km previously vehicle from WA Now in NSW
Aways serv by Nissan, only Air mass sensor and belt pulley assy c/o under warranty
No Probs with motor, only find it gradulely losses power over time but performs well after serv.
The Nissan tows a sm camper regularly and does a reasonable amount of beach work otherwise its a daily shopping trolley.
Admire your work and Im looking forward to you result as our extended warranty expires in March and with all the hoo haa Im worried about this motor.
Some questions that are sitting on my mind that you maybe able to answer -
Has anyone indicated any driving habits that might have contributed to a blow up?
How could I tell if the previous owner had a motor changeover?
& is there any extended extended warranty that can be purchased?
Apologises for the late mail as I only get on now and then and read only the last 3 or so pages (printed this one couple of weeks ago) one other thing do you think you could change the post title to something like 3.0lt study or survey for an easy search ?
Rgds Shep

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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 09:34

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 09:34
If your motor has been changed there will be an extra oil sender in the block under the turbo.

leroy
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Reply By: Bob on Patrol - Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 09:12

Tuesday, Jan 31, 2006 at 09:12
Hi,

I have been following this forum discussion and I think it great that someone is trying to sort through aal the half truths and hype to get to the bottom of the "problem" with the 3.0 litre patrol. I am very interested in seeing the results of your survey as I am worried about the unknown with my 4WD, will it blow or not and what can I do to prevent it.

For your info my details are:-
1b) What mileage has your 2001 3.0 Td done?
82000k
2b) Any strange things happening at the moment to your engine? (Does not matter
how trivial as if its happening to enough people it could be a clue)
Minor oil leak at front of sump, was there when I purchased it at 12moths old & 24000k, dealer has replaced timing case oil seal and sump (60000k) to fix however it is still there
3b) What mileage had your 2001 3.0 Td done when it blew up?
N/a still running OK
4b) If your 3.0 blew up what was the build date?
N/a - built July 2001
5b) Did anything stand out as unusual before the engine blew up, it might seem
trivial but if enough people noticed something a pattern might emerge.
N/a
6b) What country?(This could be important in tracing the root of the problem)
Australia.

Good luck, I look forward to seeing your results.
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