HONDA GENERATOR

Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 16:51
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The power went off the other day and to stop the fridge defrosting I ran the genny.
Noticed that the genny kept on surging, resulting in a NON-continuous supply to the fridge and which turned itself off. Result, no ice for the Scotch.
Tried my mate's identical genny and with identical results.
Took the genny to the local lawn mower / chain saw / ride-on mower specialist who phoned to say there was too much oil in the genny and it was getting into the carby thus causing the surging.
Curious because (a) my genny is just 12 months old and has been used only once (on the track) so (b) I've never touched the oil supply. My mate's is 2-3 years old and he claims he's not touched his oil either (backed up by the repair man who said the oil was filthy).
Although 2 out of 2 is a poor statistical sample, 100% with the same problem is a bit rich.
Has anyone else experienced this problem?
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Reply By: gramps - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 16:55

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 16:55
Allo, allo, allo .... my cheap shyte GMC is looking better all the time :))))

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Follow Up By: Sir Diamond - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 18:40

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 18:40
yes gramps you really gotta love them cheap crappy throw away jobs .
infact i might go give mine a hug now.
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 21:31

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 21:31
I've got its cousin :)) Did sterling service when we had to get the mains to the property upgraded.
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Reply By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 17:06

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 17:06
dont run it (gennie) on auto mode unless you have a constant load.....running them this way for motors is a no no
alright for resistive loads but not motors
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Follow Up By: gramps - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 17:25

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 17:25
Can/would you please explain that for the dummies like me who are flat out putting batteries in correctly :))))

p.s. Congratulations on your promotion
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 18:12

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 18:12
the honda gennie..well at least mine has a switch which governs the speed of the engine if load drops away...but its to slow for motors...
the switch needs to be put in run mode or whatever its called...(my gennie is under tarps under junk in the corner of the shed i cant get to cos of all swmbo's junk ontop of all my good stuff so i cant have a look and tell you exactly what its called...but it does allow the engine revs to float with the load
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 18:39

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 18:39
Nudie,

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Na, me either. Mine would fill both of them.
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 18:45

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 18:45
bought her some shelving for the garage.(where cars are kept) and she filled the three bays within the hour...all from my office....at least i can move a little now
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Follow Up By: scottp - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 20:32

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 20:32
I think it is normal or economy mode that u r lookin 4!!!
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 22:33

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 22:33
something like that scottp
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 17:43

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 17:43
Simple as,
every time the fridge cycles then there is no load so genny surges. We had this prob on fishing trips and the solution was to connect a 150watt flood light bulb to the genny with the fridge and when the fridg cycled there was still a load for the genny thus the genny just did not work quite so hard when the fridge was in the cut out cycle.
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

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Follow Up By: gramps - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 17:52

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 17:52
Dodger,

Thanks for that, appreciate it. So as long as there is a decent constant load all should be OK.

Regards
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Reply By: ferris - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 18:07

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 18:07
What size genny were you trying to run a household fridge with?
Cheers Ferris
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Follow Up By: Exploder - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 19:34

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 19:34
My thought’s exactly, Mine Robin which will run a 150W flood light, a Florescent light and a Engle no problem’s, but if you plug it into the house fridge the overload circuit breaker trips on the generator.
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Reply By: Jarse - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 20:39

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 20:39
Dicky, the only way oil's going to get in your carby is if you mix it in the petrol. I reckon he's never heard of an eco-throttle.....

He's having a lend of you.
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Follow Up By: Graeme - Thursday, Jan 26, 2006 at 22:14

Thursday, Jan 26, 2006 at 22:14
Jarse,

You don't know what you are talking about! I know what an eco throttle is and probably have forgotten more than you know!!

Too much oil in small motors can thorw up into the intake and affect the mixture. Also, whoever said when the firdge turns off the genny surges also does know what they talking about. The fridge was running, the genny suged, then the fridge turned off. By the time the fridge had reset itself, the genny only ran for about 2 mins, then another surge, so the fridge went off again.
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Follow Up By: Jarse - Friday, Jan 27, 2006 at 07:41

Friday, Jan 27, 2006 at 07:41
So Graeme, why have you chosen to flame me? I don't even know you and never questioned your knowledge of eco-throttles on any forum!

And while we're at it, get off your high horse Graeme. You know nothing of me or my background in stating that you "have forgotten more than I know...."

Seeing you are so knowledgeable about small motors, you might like to explain to the forum how "too much oil can throw up into the INTAKE". I don't mean bypassing the rings, or leaking down the valve stems - I mean the INTAKE.

Take a chill pill, man.
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Follow Up By: Jarse - Friday, Jan 27, 2006 at 08:24

Friday, Jan 27, 2006 at 08:24
Clicked before i finished.

Yes, I know what a crankcase breather is. Yes, I know that oil might have a chance (albeit a slim one) of finding its way into the intake via that route in an overfilled engine.

Dicky made no mention of exhaust smoke, which would be quite apparent if the oil was getting through this way.
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Reply By: Darian (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 21:13

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 21:13
As Jarde mentioned, that feature is called Eco-Throttle (Honda) - Smart Throttle (Yamaha) - neither brochure mentions if the feature is switchable (Roachie might know - he has the Yam).
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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff M (Newcastle) - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 22:32

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 22:32
Hello Darian,
I'll comment on the Honda, you can most certainly turn the Eco Throttle off.
Further to whats been written above, my EU10i will happily run 1000 watts of resistive load with the Eco Throttle on or off. (Resistive = normal light globe or Quartz Halogen type or electric heater or jug)
Add an inductive load and it's not so happy on Eco Throttle. (Inductive are electric motors)
But as others have said, turn off the Eco Throttle and add some resistive load, say 150 to 200watts of light globe and all is happy.

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Jan 25, 2006 at 00:07

Wednesday, Jan 25, 2006 at 00:07
G'day Darian,
Yammie is the same as the Honda with the eco throttle...you can switch on or off.
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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 22:33

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 22:33
Occationally on some small motors the float valve sticks just a little but enough to let fuel run through into the sump if you forget to turn the fuel tap off when storing the genny. End result is the sump is overfull & the motor runs erratically. Not sure if thats your problem but do you turn your fuel off?
We have a Honda motor that does it regually right from new. Sometimes it can be adjusted but some engines do it forever.
Cheers Craig........
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Reply By: Mike DiD - Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 23:31

Tuesday, Jan 24, 2006 at 23:31
My Kipor 1000W Inverter Generator will happily run our 2-door fridge with Smart Throttle on or off. Our fridge will even run from my 500watt Sinewave Inverter.

The Kipor won't run our neighbours fridge, even if I add a light bulb to load it up before plugging in the fridge.

Mike
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