BIO Diesel

Submitted: Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 15:17
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HI guys,
Just to let you all know that I have just filled my GQ up with its first tank of 100 bio diesel this arvo. I still had approx 30 ltrs of the toxic stuff in there but it was my only chance to fill up so I did. She took 114 ltrs of bio diesel @ 1.24 / L.

Its cheaper than my local wollies servo, they are selling at moment for 1.32 P/ L take off your 4 cents per ltr voucher that brings it down to 1.28 cents P / L i am still infront by a massive :-) 4 cents P/L.

Those of you who dont know the benefits of running bio diesel, here are some things to think about...
1 : its cheaper than what your paying now.
2 : it is clean for the enviroment.
3 : It will actually clean out your fuel lines of junk over a short time span. Once that is done, your fuel system is spotless from your tank all the way to your engine.
4 : this bio diesel WILL over time improve the quality of your engine oil and in turn, your engine will run much cleaner too. That alone is reason enough for me to use it. If your planning to keep your 4wd fo ra few years.....go for it.

Drove it home and almost immediately noticed a difference (after 3 kms)
1st difference was much smoother idol.
2nd thing was NO black stuff out exhaust when when under load.

Ange
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Reply By: Redback - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 15:37

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 15:37
Can you give us an address Angelo, i'll be over that way tomorrow so i might give it a try myself.

Baz.
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 17:21

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 17:21
Hi Baz,
Cnr of Marrickville Rd and Sydney rd Marrickville
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 16:45

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 16:45
I'll probably go over tomorrow for my 3rd tankful too.
Cnr of Marrickville Rd and Sydney rd Marrickville, the servo is painted blue and a has a big G up on the post.
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 08:28

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 08:28
So that would be the G spot. Oh sorry The G is on the post I need my glasses.

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: gramps - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 11:01

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 11:01
They're hanging off your belly button :)))))))
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 13:46

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 13:46
Gramps they turned that into a couple of pairs of sandals.

All the best
Eric
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Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 16:54

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 16:54
Hi there Ange, know of any servo's in the penrith area that sell this stuff and is it suitable for me to run in my hiulx 1989 model 2.8 D Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 17:22

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 17:22
Yes mate,
works fine on any diesel.....even brand spankin new ones.
Remember this Stephen....Diesels were designed to run on this stuff.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 22:42

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 22:42
Thanks for that Ange will see if there is one around my area Have a great weekend Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 11:05

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 11:05
I think you're out of luck Stephen.

From what I've read, Marrickville is the only commercial outlet in NSW.

Ciao for now
Andrew.
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 16:58

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 16:58
Ange,
Not trying to be negative or a smart@rse etc........but isn't there some issue about seals in the pump needing to be replaced shortly after starting to use Bio-diesel?
Apart from that it sounds like a god move mate. Not much chance of us getting it here in the sticks for a few hundred years I expect!!!
Cheers.....look forward to reading about your longer term results, mileage figures etc.
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 17:14

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 17:14
Biodiesel is a better solvent than Dino diesel.

Therefore, it tends to clean out gunk built up in the fuel system over years of DIno diesel use.

It also has been known to dissolve older perished natural rubber components in the fuel systems common in quite old cars. I'm unaware of this including seals in the pump. More usually just hoses.

If you want to Roachie, you can make your own from Waste Veggie oil from the local pub or fish and chip shop.

Ciao for now
Andrew who has been on Biodiesel for 20,000k's about 60% of the time.
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 17:27

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 17:27
Thanks Andrew, Saved me the trouble.
And no problem Roachie, i kow if u asked a question, it was for a good reason mate.

Get involved with some people down there and organise it between the group. It has to start somewhere as it did here with a very dedicated bunch of diesel owners, personally I want to thaqnk them for all the hard work incolved over a hell of a long time. But now its starting to be known and people are starting to try it. I asked the owner after i filled up, how it was going and i was told its starting to pick up for him, so its well worth it for him to sell it.
Cheers Ange
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 08:30

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 08:30
Roachie your fitch or is that finch will take care of any problems.

All the best
Eric
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Reply By: brumac - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 17:20

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 17:20
If you have a pre 96 diesel you will need to change your pump seals to run low sulpher diesel. If this is done running bio diesel is not a problem.A mate has been runninghis 80 series on it for quite some time with no problems.
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Follow Up By: sam_84h - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 23:58

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 23:58
is there something that can be done to allow a pre 96 diesel to run bio?
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 21:00

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 21:00
you read it ... replace older natural rubber components that will have perished with new ones that use fake rubber
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Sunday, Feb 05, 2006 at 13:24

Sunday, Feb 05, 2006 at 13:24
One of the advantages of owning a Japanese import! LOL
They've been running ULSD for years, so no old rubber bits in the surf! ;-) I was also under the impression that even some diesels pre 96 did not have rubber...
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Reply By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 19:00

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 19:00
A friend knows someone outback NSW makes his own.... 27 cents per litre!
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 13:53

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 13:53
Whats it taste like and does it leave you with a hangover next morn??
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Reply By: desert - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 19:34

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 19:34
Cokeaddict, post some fuel consumption figures to see if it changes that side of the equation.
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 09:44

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 09:44
I am keeping records mate, but dont hold ur breath...1 tank for me is over 1 month of driving :-). But i will let u know in time.
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Reply By: D-Jack - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 20:31

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 20:31
I saw a SAFF in Blackwood SA the other day. Don't know how long it's been there for, but there's one furthe north too. That's 2 I know of in SA that sell Bio.
Anyone know of any more in SA?

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 20:42

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 20:42
Yeh, mate of mine who is a member on here but doesn't come on very often (Member-Gerk Yorke Pen SA) has made his own vat and a couple of batches of bio for use in his work truck. I don't think he's tries any in the hi-tech 3.0L Nissan yet and I also think he's been having trouble sourcing enough raw material (vegetable cooking oil) to be able to make as much as he would like......Annette offered him a litre or so of ours when he was over here last month; isn't she a great lady??

I'd be happy to give it a go, especially @ around 25c/L and with the FITCH fitted...hahaha
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 23:09

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 23:09
SAFF in Blackwood was recently sold (damn it) and is all covered over until the new owners rebadge it (presumably).

SAFF are unsure, but think it unlikely that they will sell B100.

Other than Pooraka, they also sell it around the corner at Martins Plaza (although usually the latter is more expensive! @#$%^&*()

Don't kid yourself that it's 25 cpl though ;-)

So, that was 2 you knew of, and it is still 2 you know of - just a different two.

Many of the other SAFF outlets sell B20 (20% biodiesel): http://www.farmersfuel.com.au/sites.html

Ciao for now
Andrew.
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Reply By: Outnabout David (SA) - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 20:36

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 20:36
Hi Angelo,

Just a word of wartning. The Bio diesel will clean a lot of bleep out of the system and will block the fuel filter in no time. Get a spare one to keep in the car incase you break down. After it has cleaned everthing out it will then be OK as per normal.
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 09:47

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 09:47
Hi David,
Yes mate it has been noted in past posts. Every time i have posted in relation to bio diesel, I have made sure the uninformed are told of this factor.

No point passing on good news to fellow 4wd owners without informing them of the 1 downside.
Cheers Ange
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Reply By: samsgoneagain - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 20:54

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 20:54
its too much of a new idea for me to put in a 12000$ engine. how do you know that it cleans your engine/fuel system, especailly if its a new concept. sounds like your trying to sell it.
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Follow Up By: Dodgy Dan (WA) - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 23:01

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 23:01
Hardly a new concept - the original diesel motors ran on peanut oil! People have been using biodiesel now for years.
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 23:20

Friday, Feb 03, 2006 at 23:20
technically sam, you're a laggard.

Most products have an acceptance curve - there's the innovators (the guys who make the stuff at home and have been doing it for years), then there's the early adopters (like me, who can see it all makes sense and there is no downside, even to my $12,000 engine on which my business relies), then there's the majority (who do it when everyone else is doing it), and then there's the laggards (who will be using up the dregs of the dinosaurs for a lot longer yet and continue to believe it is a "new concept").

You'll note that people are selling it in large quantities to big fleet operators - now do you think they will enjoy wrecking their $150,000 power plants?

You'll note that consumers can buy it at real retail outlets - at least in Adelaide. Just remember how quickly consumers can litigate and how averse to being sued companies are, and remember that the fuel companies are liable for the fuel and not the car companies! Do you think they haven't done a little study of this question?

You asked how I knew it cleanses the engine/fuel system - because when you replace a fuel filter and clean out the housing for it, you can actually see the crap. I've seen it. It's not rocket science.

And yes - whilst not exactly selling it, I would love for everyone to use it, for the fuel suppliers to see a demand in the market, for the fuel retailers to dedicate bowsers and tanks to it, so that I can get it everywhere I go with the ease with which I get fossil bleep .

Ciao for now
Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Chugga - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 08:31

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 08:31
Andrew. I've heard of this bio diesel for years but never seen it advertised up here in Brisbane despite the big push for it. Do you know of who I could enquire to find out if and where it is sold in Brisbane.
Thanks.
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Follow Up By: cokeaddict - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 09:49

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 09:49
Well said Andrew.

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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 10:11

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 10:11
Hi Chugga,

Here's some places to look at:

http://www.brisbanebiodiesel.com/

http://www.biofuelsforum.com/showthread.php?t=133

Unfortunately I don't think there is commercial supply.

Ciao for now
Andrew.
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Reply By: Kenell - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 10:16

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 10:16
Just thought I would toss my 2 pennith worth in.

My brother in law makes his own bio. It is quite an elaborate process and much labour and organisation is required. He also prices the output at something below $0.30 a litre. If one factors in all of the labour, set up costs, storage, floorspace etc etc and then adds in the excise that he is supposed to declare it would be much more than his $0.30. He has arrangements with 2 large users of cooking oil to collect 200l drums of the stuff as soon as they can fill them. There are the transport and handling issues involved (tried lifting a 200l drum of oil?) then the filtration and bi product to dispose of (all of which are biodegradable). He can't burn the fuel he makes at the same rate he can make it. Storage comes into play. He can't use it on trips away - back to propriety product. He has a sweet running sweet smelling late model troopy and all his storage sheds and workshop are full of "oils". I am not game to try it in my ZD30 - I am just happy it isn't showing any of the signs this forum assures me it ultimately will. I have great admiration and respect for my brother in law and people like him and I really hope it continues to develop but as for home manufacture much space and dedication is required.

Interestingly, on my last trip I met a Diesel Mechanic who was explaining to me that what goes into our trucks often comes from any number of bi products. Paint coys are renowned for selling vast quantities of their ingredients to fuel manufacturers - generally over orders or end of batch leftovers. The fuel makers then have their chemists work out what additional constituents will be required to balance the mix and before we know it bang - its in our trucks as diesel. Little wonder we sometimes get problems in our hi tech machines if this is true.

Kenell
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 10:34

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 10:34
G'day Kennell,

Quote:" He can't use it on trips away - back to propriety product."

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this? Is he concerned that he might suffer some problem on a trip away and therefore does not use the bio on trips? Or do you just mean that he needs to buy "normal" diesel when he's away from home cos he can't take 1000 litres with him?

Cheers

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 10:58

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 10:58
I'd guess it's just that he doesn't think carting a fuel tanker behind him is a good idea like you suggested.

I have this problem too - although I use commercially available B100 rather than home-brew.

Ciao for now
Andrew.
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Reply By: Kenell - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 10:52

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 10:52
Roachie,
Sorry, should have been clearer. Once he reaches the end of his range he has to go to servo like the rest of us. I'm not sure how the motor is going to respond to the "now you see me, now you don't" routine. I am watching the experiment with great interest.

Kenell
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Follow Up By: Vivid Adventures - Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 11:06

Saturday, Feb 04, 2006 at 11:06
My motor's been fine for 20K's doing just that.

I use B100 about 60% of the time but when forced to I use dinosaur bleep .

Ciao for now
Andrew.
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