4X4 Mags

Submitted: Sunday, Feb 05, 2006 at 23:55
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Last week & was away for several days with my better half and being a little bored purchased the Feb edition of a 4WD mag. Now I cancelled my subscription several years ago and agreed to only read these mags in the Doctors surgery or newsagent so having convinced myself not to do it again thought I would analyse just the amount of rubbish in the mag
Editors Comments and own advertising 12 pages
Advert 76 pages
Letters 1 page
Cooking 2 pages
Car tests 44 pages (Bravo RAV4 Fiat 4x4OTY and other nonsense)
Travel 25 pages
New products 20 pages
Additionally if you include how much of the new products and car tests are actually paid for by advertisers (I might be being a little harsh here) and then the two three and four pages of photos of vehicles included in every article and products IMHO there is very little value in these mags.
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Reply By: gramps - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 00:03

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 00:03
So your original decision to not buy these mags was correct. DON'T slip back into bad habits :)))))))))
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Reply By: Member - Eric P (Int) - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 04:51

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 04:51
Hi, trekkie,

I live in France and have a subscription to Overlander.

First it helps me keeping my english not worse than it is.

Second, I would likje you to see the kind of rubbish we have here. I neveer counted the pages as you did, but I can tell you the car tests are ridiculous (I am not interested in a comparison between BMW X5 and Mercedes ML to go bush.

A lot of ads about equipment, no article to tell you how to use it. Nothing about recovery, safety, etc..Travel reports about mud in Northern France or sand in Morocco, which is quite uninteresting (I don't understand why I would destroy the environment in such a small country by travelling offroad, while I heve plenty of good sealed roads in this little country (nothing to do with Oz) . Nothing about Africa, South America or Oz.

I buy one of them once a year when I don't want to work on my laptop in the train, but at last I am forced to work because reading this trash cannot last as long as one hour.

Cheers.

Eric
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 07:46

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 07:46
I still like the post Bonz put up a while ago.

He had percentages, and everything. Left nothing to chance.

It would be a good thread to dig up, it was waaaaay funny.

Wolfie
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Follow Up By: gramps - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 15:20

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 15:20
Wolfie,

Don't give KS of TI another excuse to drag up those bloody graphs again LOLOLOL
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 21:41

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 21:41
Hey! I resemble that remark hahahaha

Sounds like time for a revisit, I do believe Michelle asked for additional information.

Wolfie your like is noted.
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Reply By: Member - Coyote (SA) - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 08:43

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 08:43
Here here.. a mate of mine bought 4x4 magazine as it has his new Landy in it as the winner of the 4x4 of the year... the caption read "only serious off road 4x4's were considered" the irony is, they reviewed a daewoooo, a merc, Landrover, nissan pathy.. etc... noticably absent were cruitser and patrol.. Now no mention was made about limiting the trial to medium small or large 4wd's.. just "serious ones only" How can you expect to earn any creditbility when you claim to be testing :serious off road 4x4's and not even include the obvious top 2???? and to class a daewoo as a serious off road 4x4.... get real...
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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff M (Newcastle) - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 09:09

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 09:09
Road works outside the kids school that week, needed something up to the task.

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Follow Up By: gramps - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 15:23

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 15:23
Coyote,

Everyone knows that serious 4wds are those used to mount gutters and roll effortlessly over speed humps in carparks. You must be confusing them with those other 'agricultural' trucks that only country bumpkins use :)))))
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Follow Up By: Redback - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 15:44

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 15:44
Last time the Patrol was in the running it came 7th, and the Kia Sorento 4th IN THE WORLDS BEST 4WD TEST.

The contenders...
Nissan Pathfinder [the new, USA looking model]
Hyundai Terracan
Jeep Grand Cherokee
Nissan Patrol
Misubishi Pajaro
Toyota LC/Prado
Kia Sorento
LandRover Discovery 3
LandRover Defender 110
Santana PS10

The Points
82/100
74/100
70/100
63/100
59/100
54/100
53/100
47/100
43/100
37/100

FYI... it was up to the manufacturer's whether or not they supplied their vehicles with Mud Tyres or not.

The tests were...
Ramp Over - for axle articulation
Side Slope before sliding sideways - the max was 40 degrees
Hill Climb up a muddly slope
Approach Angle
Departure Angle
Ramp Breakover
Ground Clearance - not in degrees but in practical world of logs before getting grounded
Mud Run
Obstacle Course - round a 4x4 track
Turning Circle

Now i voted for the Patrol or Defender as the winner.

The results were;
10th place with 37 points is - Nissan Pathfinder
9th place with 43 points is - Hyndai Terracan
8th place with 47 points is - Jeep Grand Cherokee
7th place with 53 points is - Nissan Patrol
6th place with 54 points is - Mistubishi Pajero
5th place with 59 points is - Toyota LC/Prado
4th place with 63 points is - Kia Sorrento
3rd place with 70 points is - Land Rover Discovery 3
2nd place with 74 points is - Land Rover Defender 110
1st place with 82 points is - Santana PS10 !!!

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but I wonder if Land Rover are flattered that their Defender 110 copy, Santana PS10, with leaf, not coil springs bettered their own product?

Again this is a mags view of things true or false still makes you think, is my vehicle that good or even that bad.

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Reply By: Mulga Bill - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 08:59

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 08:59
Indeed - they are only good for reinforcing what you don't trust them for.
I see them for free on occasions but wouldn't spend a cent on them.
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Reply By: ev700 - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 10:44

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 10:44
The biggest advertisers would be the aftermarket industry which is aimed squarely at young rev heads.

The articles are aimed and dumbed down accordingly.

But young rev heads are not a significant part of the demographic that buys the 4X4 market leaders.

Given that, the writing style and the higher involvement of women in (fourby) buying decisions, if you were one of the market leaders would you be rushing to give those knuckle heads a vehicle to trash?

It is a different circumstance if you're falling off the rear end of the market and are trying to enlarge, or develop, your niche.

Better duck.
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Follow Up By: gramps - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 15:25

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 15:25
Depends whether you Land within Range or Rover around to Discovery anything LOLOL
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Follow Up By: ev700 - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 19:06

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 19:06
Gramps

Cripes, that's living dangerously : )

When the slab sided ones Discover you have Rovered into their Land, their turrets will turn and they will exclaim: "Forsooth, be off our Land, Rover or you will Discover we have your Range and your Discs will be shot."

To most, cars are just cars, but to some they are a lifestyle ; )
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Follow Up By: gramps - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 19:11

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 19:11
ROFLMAO good one ev700 :))))
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Reply By: Dean (SA) - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 11:46

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 11:46
FZ said many years ago of music journalists.
" Rock journalism is people who cant write, preparing stories based on interviews with people who cant talk, in order to amuse people who cant read "
I suppose the same could be said of 4x4 and all glossy magazines.
My library subscribe to overlander, it kills an hour and there is no need to read all the vehicle write ups, would anyone really care about 12 pages on seven seat vehicles, (jan issue)
Dean
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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Widgiemooltha) - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 13:12

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 13:12
I am one of the few that freely admit to buying excess amounts of these mags for just that - They are magaines. I am reeely dissapointed in how many pages are getting devoted to comps but tnot just comps, rock crawling buggys and other such stuff. There are dedicated mags for this sort of stuff. I am mostly interested in touring and destinations but also read vehicle tests and other stuff. - custom modified vehicles I have no intrest in. I may not buy another 4x4 australia after there last effort
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 14:07

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 14:07
Don't start me on magazines . Please
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Follow Up By: Des Lexic - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 15:24

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 15:24
Even Wingdings couldn't tell me what your saying. o:)))))
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Follow Up By: gramps - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 15:27

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 15:27
Wash your mouth out with soap brother :))))
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Follow Up By: Redback - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 15:28

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 15:28
Willy please this is a family forum, now go and wash your mouth out with soap ;-)))

Baz.
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Follow Up By: Member - Coyote (SA) - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 20:40

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 20:40
Whats soap???????????????
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 20:51

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 20:51
#$%&*(*&^%$@$%&*^#@$&*(*#%&*(((*@@%*&(^$#^&
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Follow Up By: Des Lexic - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 21:12

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 21:12
willie, you should be barred for using language like that.
I hope you get a real PALMOLIVE for saying that I hope you don't get creamed.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 21:45

Monday, Feb 06, 2006 at 21:45
Hi Willie, your forthright and unmovable stance has won you a years subscription to our magazine. Where sohould we send it?
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 09:35

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 09:35
Bonz ,
I hate you .
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 10:20

Tuesday, Feb 07, 2006 at 10:20
This is my lucky day . I was just reading the trader accessories for sale and I notice that in the next suburb to me at Eastwood , there is a chap called Max with a whole year of various 4WD mags for sale .
Hang on , what am I doing wasting my time here , I might miss out .............................
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