Nissan Patrol 3.0td 2001 model

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Would someone possibly be able to help me please !!!! I own a 2001 model Nissan (series II I think) Wagon, 3.0 Turbo Diesel, 80,000 klms. The engine light came on and it started running rough (intermittently), I took the vehicle to a dealership were they dianosed the injector pump needed replacing. So, $5,000 later the injector pump was replaced, however, the light came back on within 5klms of setting off from the dealership. I took it back and they then suggested it might be the fuel pump housing, this was replaced at a cost of another $400. Low and behold, the engine light came on again and I took it back to the dealership. I sought advise from government body who suggested that I should take the vehicle to another dianostic technician. I have had the vehicle 'elsewhere' now for three weeks and due to the light and motor running 'rough' and with no power "intermittently" they are unable to diagnose the problem, throught no fault of there own. In the meantime, weve had to fork out another $700 just for them to keep looking at it ???? We live in country NSW and have not had a vehicle for nearly two months, I plead with someone to perhaps shed some light on our problem........................thanks Sue
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 14:10

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 14:10
Thats no good at all Sue.
I would start with a forum search to see what prior issues have occurred with this model vehicle and motor.
At the top of the forum page is the search function, just type in your search details, such as 3.0 litre Nissan and start reading.
I hope it works out for you.

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Reply By: notts71 - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 14:13

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 14:13
I have had a 'bit' of a search, it does seem to be a problem with them, however, I've still been unable to find out how to 'fix' the problem. I will keep searching though, thanks John.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 14:20

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 14:20
Sue have a look at post No 30269 quite a bit of info there.

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Reply By: Leroy - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 14:20

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 14:20
hmmm I think someone posted recently they were told the injector pump need replacing also and it turned out to be the MAF sensor. Do a serch on the word SURVEY and I think the post was in that thread.

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Follow Up By: Leroy - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 15:10

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 15:10
I tried finding that post for you and man there are so many 3.0l posts!! I'd find a friend with a 3.0l patrol and swap MAF sensors or what's another $250 bucks and go and buy a new one. If' it's not the prob it doesn't hurt to have a spare ;-)

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Reply By: Member - Coyote (SA) - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 14:20

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 14:20
Maybe a dumb question... with all this happening at 80000k's.. don't you have a 100000k warranty? If I paid $5000 and the problem didn't go away, I'd be sending the car back and having them give me my money back or pixing the problem.. if they diagnosed it as one thing, fixed that thing and it didn't change anything.. damned if you shoul dbe expected to pay for it.. they didled you I suspect...
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 14:20

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 14:20
Agreed!
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Follow Up By: notts71 - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 14:30

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 14:30
It holds a 3 year warranty and it's a 2001 model, therefore, no warranty is applicable due to either 3 years or 100 klms, whichever comes first.

I have also spoken with Nissan Australia who have informed me that financially they are unable to 'help' however, they would be able to provide techinical support via telephone if need be. The vehicle at the moment is not with a nissan dealership, it's with a private diesel & turbo specialist.

Just for the record, I have tried to get my $5,000 back, however, the dealership is arguing that at this stage I am not able to verify that the injector pump was not to blame and unfortunately they do have a point until I can confirm that the injector pump was not the problem, until then I seem to have to keep forking our money..until I can find a 'cure' for this ugly problem!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Coyote (SA) - Friday, Feb 10, 2006 at 14:35

Friday, Feb 10, 2006 at 14:35
I'm confused.. If the Injector pump was not the problem , then why did they replace it??? If they replaced it and the problem is still there then Bingo.. obviously it's not the problem... I don't mean to be rude or insulting, but I think you are being too easy on them. If you had told them to replace the injector to fix the problem, then they have a point, but if they diagnose it, do the work and it doesn't fix the problem.. the problem is then theirs not yours.. Having said that, they have you over a barrel as you have paid.. I think you should take it to ACCC.. Don't get fleeced for $5000..
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Reply By: Shane (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 15:32

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 15:32
I really feel sorry for you, as it appears to me that the whole thing is a guessing game for Nissan. If they diagnosed the fuel pump & it wasn't fixed then you should be reimbursed your money & I would pursue the matter further. These 3 ltr Nissans appear to be nothing but trouble (yes ! I will accept the flack) & this seems to be only after they amalgamated with Renault (which the motor is) & dropped in this piece of rubbish. I have for some years read this Forum & listened to the various complaints in regard to this motor & in reality you would not buy one. You will get a lot of people that will say that the newer motors are OK but that stands to be corrected in the long term. You don't hear of any problems with the 4.2 as they are a Nissan motor & bullit proof. I myself have a trusty 60 series 2H Manual Cruiser that has been Turbo'ed & has done considerable mileage without mishap, so why is it that a 22 year old vehicle is more reliable than a newer vehicle, I suppose because The almighty dollar comes before reliabiliy in newer vehicles. I might add that I also own a current model Diesel Terracan Auto & after researching the various vehicles at the time I put the 3ltr Nissan ( no auto on the 4.2 ) on the back burner. The Terracan will run rings around my 2H & also leave the Nissan for dead on any hill or straight, but only time will tell in regard to it's reliability. I hope you get the matter rectified, but it makes you wonder as to what the next problem will be, going on the reputation of this motor !
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 17:18

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 17:18
Hi Shane,

Just for the record, Renault has not been amalgamated with Nissan, but it is a major shareholder and there are technology agreements between them. One of the items provided TO Renault BY NIssan is the ZD30, not the other way around. There is an argument that says Nissan may have been strapped for cash at the time the development and testing of the ZD30 was done but this may never be known for sure. Of course you are entitled to your opinion but you should also keep in mind the 3.0Di is a big seller and there are many many of them running around, the vast majority of which have never had any major issues. I don't think there has ever been a completely faultess vehicle. 4.2 can suffer overheating problems, Turbo Tojo's have run mains etc etc. The reason we are running around with this new technology is mainly because of stricter emission laws which force company's to extract more and more performance out of engines, potentially at the expense of reliability.
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Follow Up By: Shane (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 11:22

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 11:22
Outbacktourer,

I agree with you up to a point, but when you are spending big buck's on a 4WD that is supposed to go off the beaten track you expect reliability, as it's too far to walk home. I do a fair bit of hog hunting & the last thing I want is a vehicle that leaves me stranded in a paddock miles from the homestead. You can't hail a cab or ring a tow truck. You state that the new emission laws are partly to blame for the unreliability, if this is the case why is it that the present Diesel motor in the Terracan (which is sourced from Europe & has been used there for some time) trouble free. I'm sure Nissan can do the same if it wanted. They won't even admit there is a problem with the motor. In regard to Tojo's doing mains, yes your right, but that was the early 80 series, 90-92 , have you forgot the earlier 12HT (bullet proof). We are talking about recent or current model vehicles. I also note that you own a 3 LTR Nissan, so how about being truthfull & tell me of all the prob's that you have encounted with yours ( I said truthfull !) . Cheer's.
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 13:45

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 13:45
"You state that the new emission laws are partly to blame for the unreliability" actually what I said was that " stricter emission laws force company's to extract more and more performance out of engines" It is a sad fact of human nature that whenever changes are introduced there is the potential for error in development, testing or production. What I did not mean is that every engine that complies with new emissions laws is unreliable, sorry for the confusion.
"We are talking about recent or current model vehicles." There are other examples of newer engines with problems Eg: The Gen III Holden V8
"I also note that you own a 3 LTR Nissan, so how about being truthfull & tell me of all the prob's that you have encounted with yours ( I said truthfull !) ". Yes, mine is a 7/02 GUIII I'm very happy with performance and reliability, 2 minor issues fixed under warranty, nothing to do with the engine. 62,000K mainly towing. I have fitted some gauges as a precaution but so far so good.

Seems like the Terracan has a good following, the CRD sounds great, hopefully the next ZD30 will go that way.
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Follow Up By: Shane (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 16:44

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 16:44
Outbacktourer,

The one point I'm trying to get at basically is that with the reputation of the motor, it's like sitting on a time bomb, as such that your waiting for it to go off but don't know when. It doesn't instill confidence in an owner about to embark on a trip worrying as to whether the motor could blow or one of the sensors is going to play up. I appears that these sensors play up all the time & wouldn't be cheap to buy with a vehicle out of warranty. I can understand if these vehicles had a few K's up but it's appearing in vehicles with minimal K's & these should'nt in reality need to have a spanner put to them for at least 200,000 K's. In regard to the Terracan, value for money they are a good buy, could do with a aftermarket suspension upgrade( $800 ) & that's about it. These common rail diesels seem to be the future for power, but I'm not too sure as to the cost of repairing the fuel system when the K's get up & if you break down your buggered in the scrub as you don't know where to start apart from the fuel filter. That's why I feel at home with the trusty 2H, a mountain of power low down , built like a country sh-thouse & unbreakable in the scrub even when used as a part bulldozer.When you look under the 60 Series you notice the steel bash plate on the sump & the thick steel bash plate under the gearbox & tranny case. All the modern stuff including Toyota have flimsy tin plate that serves no purpose but to look good. No they don't make them like they used to. In the 15 years that I have had the Tojo the only problem was the Diff which needed Carrier Bearings & a Pinion seal. This was caused by bulldust chopping out the pinion seal & the diff running on air.. The vehicle is now is now 23 years old, done 250,000 K's & still starts first time hot or cold (not even run in yet). All the best.
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 22:20

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 22:20
I see where you are coming from mate but unfortunately we are all having to go with the flow AFA technology is concerned. FWIW I learnt to drive in a Willy's from the Korean war on the station (western Qld) and graduated to a '68 3 Speed Landcruiser trayback (that used to get stuck in reverse and sagged badly to the Dr side) so I love the basic simplicity of the older stuff. But technology is forcing us to move on. Sure I have suspicions than some sensor or another may get me stranded but I also have a GPS so I know where I am, a moblile phone, a UHF and carry an EBIRB so that if shait turns to clay technology can also come to the rescue. Also FWIW I really do believe the early problems with the ZD30 were production related (piston supplier quality) and anything since is mainly MAF related and picked up by monitoring boost before damage is done. Hope this Gal gets out of trouble with Nissan.
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Reply By: Outbacktourer - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 17:05

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 17:05
Hi Sue, you have certainly got the runaround, with the kind of money now expended it may be time to get some kind of professional advocate involved. NRMA may be able to point you in the right direction.

There are a number of reasons the engine light can come on, some as simple as draining the fuel filter. I understand fuel related issues with this engine can be problemtic to diagnose and unless definitely certain people start with the cheap options first (draining/replacing filters, testing MAF's etc) before spending big bucks on fuel pumps. Which by the way can be done for way less than $5000.
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Reply By: DesC - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 18:22

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 18:22
REPLACE THE FUEL FILTER. I have had this a few times and the fuel filter has fixed it
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 09:50

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 09:50
Agreed , as I posted last week , I wouldnt rely on the fault codes the computer spits out , I was booked in to get the injector pump looked at and changed the filter and fixed the fault - was approx the same , random check engine light and power surging.

Would like to think they would have tried the filter for 5k

Glenn
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 11:56

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 11:56
glenn, It was your post I was also trying to find for sue. As I said...sooo many 3.0l threads!

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Reply By: Member JD- Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 18:26

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 18:26
Hi Sue,
I own a 3ltr auto Patrol recently a similer thing happened to me,I changed the diesel filter,fuel lines doubled clamped them top and bottom,and I might add changed the mass air sensor..ran great for about 20 ks..then the dam light started coming on again..I would get out and pump the primer and the light would go off...it would run good with all pwer for abut 1-2ks then the light would come back on and the truck be in limp mode no power!..now for me it was the mass air sensor..1...fuel filter..2 I have a back injury and could not tighten the filter properly...so it was sucking air thru the filter mount...I have approx 100 ks since this drama and all seems to be well...no light!!!full power..and no turbo lag.
Hope this helps.
JD
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Reply By: fourstall2000 - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 20:42

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 20:42
Sue,You said the vehicle is not at a Nissan dealer,this is your first mistake.
Nissan can attach their computer to the engine and provide an accurate diagnosis.
I am afraid I fear the worst for you as one who had a motor fail,but hope I am wrong.
You are in a much better position to get Nissan assistance if the truck is with a Nissan dealer.
Good luck
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Follow Up By: notts71 - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 08:13

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 08:13
We have had the vehicle at the Nissan dealership and they put it on the computer. They were the ones who orginally diagnosed it saying it needed a new injector pump and then the fuel pump housing, so I refuse to take it back to them. So much for the accurate diagnosis. It is currently with a specialist diesel & turbo technician that has the dianostic equipment to handle it (hopefully). The only thing I can confirm is that the motor hasn't failed. Sue
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Reply By: muzzimbidgie - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 20:52

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 20:52
Go back to the dealer who charged you five grand for repairs and ask them why you should not take legal action.

They have performed and charged for a repair which was not needed (the problem still exists doesn't it?)

THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT

If indeed it is as simple as the MAFS ($250) then the fuel pump was needlessly replaced = wrongly diagnosed = NOT YOUR FAULT = kick them where it hurts.

Go back, thump your fist on the counter, get angry, ask to talk to the boss, AND I MEAN THE BIG BOSS.

Tell him what they have done is unacceptable.

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Follow Up By: Member - Coyote (SA) - Friday, Feb 10, 2006 at 14:38

Friday, Feb 10, 2006 at 14:38
Damn straight... because you are a female (I assume) the mechanics are probably trying to walk right over you assuming you are ignorant.. with the advice and expertice you can tap into on this forum, you are far from that.. stand up for yourself and demand the problem be fixed...
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Reply By: Pud & Barb - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 23:12

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 23:12
Hi Sue,
I know only too well how frustrating these vehicles are. Our motor has blown up but a little while ago we had similar problems to what you are descibing.
Our problem was the alternator. As we have 2 batteries with a smart solenoid fitted, it would start OK, then after a couple of km's the engine light would come on and lose power and run rough. ( no power to windows, damn hot, windy kids, not fun).
We fitted a new alternator and no more problems until 4 months later when the engine went kaput. This was a hole in number 2 piston, nothing to do with the alternator.
Hope this helps.
Barb & Pud.
P.S It might pay, once you have this problem sorted out to get a compression test done, it may save you some problems down the track.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 23:21

Wednesday, Feb 08, 2006 at 23:21
Good to see you're back on line Barb......got the broadband all sorted out now?
Cheers
Roachie
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Follow Up By: notts71 - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 08:16

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 08:16
Hi Barb & Pud,

I will mention the alternator to the technician, everything helps at this stage, many thanks, Sue
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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 08:26

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 08:26
Sue give this mob a ring they are turbo glide they are usually very helpful.

Phone 1:
02 4284 7882 If you have any questions about our products or services please contact us by phone/fax, using the email form below or emailing directly to sales@turboglide.com.au.
Phone 2:
02 4284 7881
Fax:
02 4284 7883
Address:
609 Princes Hwy
Russellvale NSW 2517

They might not be near you but they know just about everything about diesels.

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: notts71 - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 10:22

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 10:22
Thanks Eric, I will give them a call. Sue
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 11:20

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 11:20
Sue let us know how you go with them please.
I know a few people that have rang them and had good results over the phone.

All the best
Eric
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Reply By: DesC - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 09:56

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 09:56
did you change the fuel filter?
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Follow Up By: notts71 - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 10:21

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 10:21
We have changed the fuel filter three times now so we presume that's not the problem at this stage, thanks.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 17:02

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 17:02
If you still have the old filter/s it would be a good idea to cut it/them open and see if they full of algae or any other nasty stuff. If they are clean, no point in keeping on changing them to try to solve this problem.
Cheers
Roachie
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Follow Up By: DesC - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 17:46

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 17:46
already checked, full of algae in element after 20000km. Not my car i change mine every 15000 (td42GU). But thanks for your invaluable input Mr Roach.
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Reply By: DesC - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 10:54

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 10:54
Just out of curiosity, how long did you drive the car for with the engine light on?
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Follow Up By: notts71 - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 11:27

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 11:27
We were actually on our way home from a trip and we drove for about 100 klms with the light coming on and off intermittently, along with it running rough at times.
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Reply By: andoland - Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 11:44

Thursday, Feb 09, 2006 at 11:44
My boss was recently coming home from a day trip in his 2001 3.0 litre Patrol when it the engine light started running rough. It was still drivable and he could sit on 100kph but it had no grunt when going up hills. He thought it was water in the fuel filter so he drained it out, the light went off and he drove away. A few km's later the engine light came back on, it was not running quite as rough but was still down on power. Took it to Nissan the next day and they replaced the MAF sensor and it is now running properly again, power is back, no rough running. I'm not sure how well this matches what is happening with your vehicle but it may help.

Ando
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Reply By: udm - Friday, Feb 10, 2006 at 20:05

Friday, Feb 10, 2006 at 20:05
Did you at least get your original pump back? You paid for a new one, so the original is still yours, isn´t it?

Ulises
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Follow Up By: notts71 - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 09:54

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 09:54
No, as the injector pump was a replacement.
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Reply By: Leroy - Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 16:31

Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006 at 16:31
Sue,

Did you ever get this resolved?

Leroy
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