Holden Jacka 98 Monterey

Submitted: Thursday, Jan 23, 2003 at 16:54
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Hi Has anyone else melted a fuel injector. I was coming home after shopping was about 10 Klm out and "poof" huge pall of smaike out the rear and one dead engine.

Anyone else had the same problem with their diesel jackaroo ?
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Reply By: Truckster - Thursday, Jan 23, 2003 at 18:25

Thursday, Jan 23, 2003 at 18:25
Melted???

Photos?

never heard of it on a jack, from what I heard they werent too bad....??
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Follow Up By: Cb - Thursday, Jan 23, 2003 at 18:29

Thursday, Jan 23, 2003 at 18:29
Its at the car yard in Cessnock but I can arrange to some photos next week
Thank you for your reply.
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Reply By: OziExplorer - Thursday, Jan 23, 2003 at 19:58

Thursday, Jan 23, 2003 at 19:58
CB 'melt' yes, depending on the use of your terminology. Could have got blocked and not cooled with the diesel, incorrect timing, lousy fuel cause the nozzle to seize.
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Reply By: Savvas - Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 08:25

Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 08:25
CB .... Just a quick question. Your's is a 98 Monterey with a diesel? I thought diesel Monterey's were released in 2000 or so.

Nonetheless, the injectors on the diesel are hydraulically operated via the motor's oil. Maybe there was a blockage that led to the failure. But you would expect to be experiencing some poor running for a while before the injector failed.

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Follow Up By: Cb - Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 08:43

Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 08:43
yes it is a diesel..I have had it serviced every 10,000 klm as per the book.
It was running well..only noticable 'glitch' was a sluggish start which I mentioned to the service center on the 13/12/02 when it received its last service.
They noted that on the previous service the 90,000 klm, too much oil had been put in and I was lucky that 'No damage had been done".
They also commented that that was no doubt the reason why the engine wouldnt 'fire' when I first turned the key.

I am not a mechanically minded and dont check under the bonnet very often.
PS..........sigh...... I am a female
Nor am I looking to 'blame' anyone I am just wanting to understand how this may have happened.
I appreciate all comments
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 09:07

Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 09:07
Hmmm...

If they did overfill the oil, then it is possible that the motor's crankshaft foamed the oil. Therefore it is possible that the foamed up oil wasn't being delivered to the injectors correctly. That injector may well have been on "it's way out" since they overfilled the oil at the 90,000k service.

You have to watch those dealers. At my Monty's 50,000k service, they underfilled the oil so it barely appeared on the dipstick. I always check everything I can before I take it away from them. The service coordinator had no problem topping it up there and then. I also do an additional oil change between services anyway.

Make sure you document everything on this. Your Monty will now be out of the factory warranty. But if the service is being done at a Holden dealer's as per the log book, what is done at the service itself and the parts used are warranted for 12 months/20,000km. If you get other oil related problems within 12 months/20,000kms of the 90,000km service, that could be caused by overfilling the oil, then you may have cause to seek some recourse from the dealer under that warranty.

Are you sure it's a 98 Monterey with a diesel and not a newer model? As far as I can work out, the diesel was released in the Monterey in April 2001. According to rebook.com.au, anyway.
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 09:11

Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 09:11
Actually ... make doubly sure of the year model it is.

If it is a 2001, then the factory warranty will still apply. Less than 3 years old and only just over 100,000kms.
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Reply By: CB - Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 09:27

Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 09:27
i was fortunate to have taken out the Holden Network Q.. 3 year 175,000 Mechanical Protection Plan.
The vehicle was a second hand, it was a Land and Water Conservation vehicle with only 40,000 klm on the clock.

Now the model name in the Holden book is U8 8DQ35 261
and the Land & water people bought it in 17.6.98
engine capacity 3.0
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 09:33

Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 09:33
I think I have the old brochure at home. I'll have a look at the model number. If I recall correctly, the 3 digits where your model number is 261, it actually starts with a 7 for Montereys. But I might be wrong. I'll look tonight and see what I find out.

Lucky you have the Network Q!
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Reply By: Savvas - Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 11:33

Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 11:33
Hi CB...

The 8DQ35 261 is the published code for the base model diesel Jackaroo. (http://www.redbook.com.au/VehicleSearch/Detail.asp?key=HOLD98EM)

A few pointers to tell a 98 Monterey from base -
* Door handles will be chrome in a body coloured surround. If it's a base model, the door handles will be black with a black surround.
* There's a chrome surround to the windows on the doors
* 4WD system is Torque on Demand and not the usual part time system, with torque split indicators on the instrument panel next to the Tacho
* There are no hub locks on the front axle
* All Montereys have headlight wipers
* Anti-Lock Braking is fitted. In the 98, there was an ABS sticker on the rear tailgate
* All Monterey's are auto
* In '98, Monterey's had mesh style alloy wheels
* The front seats in Monterey's and SE's have fold down armrests
* There is third row seats fitted to Monterey's and SE's.
* Fog lights are integrated in the front bumper
* Externally, the Monterey and SE is two tone paint. The 98 Monterey had a dark grey lower band, while the SE had a light silver lower band.
* Monterey's have a pinstripe whereas the others didn't.
* External mirrors are electrically operated and heated. In the 98 base model they are manual. They will also be the same colour as the lower band on the body. Base models and SE are black.
* And the Monterey badging on the doors. Though these are just stick on and could be bought by anyone.
* There will be a build code of RBD on the build plate in the engine bay.

Sorry that I'm carrying on this way. But I'm damn sure there was no such thing as a 98 Monterey diesel. I'm not implying that you're fibbing or anything. I just hope that you haven't been misled.

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Reply By: CB - Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 11:45

Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 11:45
Looking embarrassed I am.!
I just assumed that it was the Monterey because that was the book I was supplied with when I took ownership of the vehicle.
It was the book that had been used everytime the vehicle was serviced.
I assumed it was the correct book.


I will now go beat myself with a wet noodle.
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 12:01

Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 12:01
Ah...ok.

The same book I have. It just says Jackaroo Monterey on the cover. That's cool.

I was actually thinking someone dressed it up as a Monterey to sell it off at a higher price. In which case if the customer doesn't know what they're looking at, the dealer can get away with it.

I'm getting cynical in my old age.

Hope it all works out for you with the injectors!
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Reply By: CB - Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 12:28

Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 12:28
Thank you. So do I, I am still waiting to hear how bad the situation is.
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Reply By: CB - Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 18:28

Friday, Jan 24, 2003 at 18:28
To all who replied THANK YOU.
You have all been very helpful.
The problem has now been identified.
Out of interest: it was the failure of an injector seal, allowing too much fuel into the piston chamber.
A piston shattered. and it melted the end of the injector all the way to the glow plug.

The good news is the dealership has worked hard on my behalf and the Holden Area Service Manager has been out to view the problem and it looks as if Holden will help with the costs. [fingers crossed]
I will give a futher update because I think its good to know when a car dealerships work hard for their customers
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Reply By: Savvas - Saturday, Jan 25, 2003 at 15:47

Saturday, Jan 25, 2003 at 15:47
Wow! Amazing that they were able to diagnose that with so much damage. Sounds like a good result with Holden stepping up to the mark.

Let us know how it pans out in the end.
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Reply By: Savvas - Tuesday, Feb 04, 2003 at 11:02

Tuesday, Feb 04, 2003 at 11:02
Hi CB,

Are you back on the road yet?
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Follow Up By: Cb - Tuesday, Feb 04, 2003 at 11:17

Tuesday, Feb 04, 2003 at 11:17
NO..the dealership has sent the head away for testing and I am still waiting to hear back.
I shall phone and find out how its all coming along.
I hadn't forgotten you all.....just been awaiting and waiting and waiting.......
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Follow Up By: Cb - Tuesday, Feb 04, 2003 at 12:02

Tuesday, Feb 04, 2003 at 12:02
On the phone now.....waiting... waiting
Still getting inspected .....the answer they dont know..getting a head tested must be a BIG job, its been over a week now.

The saga continues.
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Follow Up By: Savvas - Tuesday, Feb 04, 2003 at 14:54

Tuesday, Feb 04, 2003 at 14:54
The problem with these motors is that there isn't a lot of expertise with them in Australia. Isuzu engines though are generally extremely reliable so this incident is definitely an excpetion.
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Reply By: Colin - Tuesday, Feb 04, 2003 at 23:56

Tuesday, Feb 04, 2003 at 23:56
Every make and model have their share of horror stories. I have not had the extreme bad luck you have had. My 2000 TD had major starting problems at 40,000k's, which was put down to
1. Wrong grade of oil used from first service onwards (Dealer experience problem, as mine was the first of the series they had sold and serviced)
2. Suspected that air was getting past the seals due to a well known problem with incorrect grade of O rings used in the first couple of batches of engines for the 2000 series. Yours could have had this well known problem too.

Remedy for 1 was three expensive flush throughs with 5W30
Remedy for 2 was new seals.

Jack was off the road for 1 week

At 80,000 (which is a whopping $1100 service bill!) the mechanic (or was it the apprentice) broke several of the connectors on the loom when re-assembling after the tappet adjustment. Then damaged injector seals putting the injectors back in. A weeks rest at the dealer as the wiring loom had to be shipped from Melbourne, and the seal incident occurred late on a Friday before a long weekend! Most disturbing result was a missed weekend trip away. Bonus was 40% reduction in standard cost of the mega service and a loan car (DunnyDoor) for free




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Reply By: CB - Wednesday, Feb 05, 2003 at 05:34

Wednesday, Feb 05, 2003 at 05:34
My problem is a walk in the park compared to your experience.
WOW..thats all I can say.
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