Geraldton cops targeting screens/GPS on dash

Submitted: Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 16:19
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Gday,

What experience have people had with their screen/Nav use and the law.
Close to where i live (200kms is close when u shop there) they have been giving issuing $100 on the spot fines for screens, and GPS Nav systems on the dash.
(not handhelds but the small screen types)

Citing obstruction of vision.

I am just about to Install an 8" screen hooked to the laptop etc. Wondered if anyone had come afoul of the law, or do you just run it in the bush etc.

Regards
Rev
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Reply By: Shaker - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 16:25

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 16:25
Same rules apply in the bush, if you are on public tracks!
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 16:32

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 16:32
Mr Head ,

I run around WA every year for a couple of months with a big Magellan MAP GPS in the centre of the top of the dash on my 100 TD . I even got a speeding fine on the laser gun and the cop booking me did not remark on the GPS .

Must be a couple of locals , keen to fill up the book .

I am sure they are quite within their rights to book you for it . I don't run around Sydney with it on , because I think it probably could entice the over zealous to action .

Cheers ,

Willie .
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Follow Up By: revhead307 - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 16:36

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 16:36
lol @ 'Mr Head'

Yes, the local constabulary have had a few pet targets over the last 6 months.

ie Rod holders (pedestrian graters) on bullbar $100 a pop...got a good number of the local fishing club.

as you say the majority may pass you over...but theres always one.

Rev
aka Mr Head

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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 16:40

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 16:40
Willie, you still need that map? I thought you'd have bcome familiar with Perth by now :)))))))
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 16:49

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 16:49
Mr Loose ,

I am not aware I have ever discussed getting lost in Perth with you . I am at a loss to know how to answer this Follow-up .

You have let the market slide again today . I should not have left you in charge .

Willie .
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 17:16

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 17:16
Willie, half my family are in Perth, reports of a gentleman going round and round pointing to a computer screen are common :))
The market didn't slide, it dived ! I don't know who'se pulling the strings but I wish they wouldn't.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 18:51

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 18:51
Touloose Lafoot ,

Your relatives are have mistaken me for some other good looking buffed film star . I however have only ever flown to Perth once - with the bride last Boxing Day . We spent a week checking out the Margaret River wineries and beauty spots , then a week watching the Hopman Cup and checking out Perth from a TAXI .

IT WASN'T ME

Willie .
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 20:49

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 20:49
Willie, they did mention an intelligent , handsome figure of a man with a stunningly beautiful lady . Driving the latest Landcruiser with all the fruit, the chrome bits all spotless and shining. They also mentioned what a liar I am.
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Reply By: Utemad - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 16:35

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 16:35
I asked the coppers at a motor show once what the deal was with putting a navman type of unit on the dash. They said it couldn't be placed in area where it will obstruct your vision or get in the way if you crash (such as right in front of the passenger etc). It also couldn't be in a place that would interfere with the airbags.

Doesn't really give you much room to place it. I have never been questioned over my placement by the cops though. Mine is suction capped to the windscreen in about the centre line of the vehicle. It does obstruct my vision though.
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Reply By: Skarm - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 16:58

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 16:58
revhead307

From what i am let to believe under the Road Traffic (Vehicle Standards) Rules 2002 A television receiver or visual display unit must not be installed in a vehicle so any part of the image on the screen is visible to the driver from the normal driving position.

A television receiver, or visual display unit, and its associated equipment in a vehicle must be securely mounted in a position that

(a) does not obscure the driver's view of the road; and

(b) does not impede the movement of a person in the vehicle.

I think the reversing screens on the new cars are exempt.

Hope this has helped

Skarm


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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 18:16

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 18:16
>From what i am let to believe under the Road Traffic
>(Vehicle Standards) Rules 2002 A television receiver
>or visual display unit must not be installed in a vehicle
>so any part of the image on the screen is visible to the
>driver from the normal driving position.

Going to be an awful lot of vehicles in trouble then because many now have a "Multi Function Display" (read mono or colour LCD) in the instrument cluster. In newer vehicles this display carries navigation info. (GPS) and various other data.

Sounds like those police are being a little over zealous, I'd take it to court.

Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog (Australia) - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 19:52

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 19:52
That applies to entertainment screens, display data and navigation systems are exempt.
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Follow Up By: Skarm - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 21:42

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 21:42
Mike

>Sounds like those police are being a little over zealous

I agree, there are plenty of other things that the Geraldton Police could be looking at. It may only be a passing fad for those Police members and they may get back to more serious Policing

Skarm
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Reply By: Des Lexic - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 17:02

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 17:02
I have a Lilleput 7" screen where the rearvision mirror used to be. When it's turned off, it is the rearvision mirror. Only giveaway is the speaker holes on the back of the unit.
Works well too.
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Reply By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 19:56

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 19:56
Do what I do.

Give the damn map to the wife, and berate HER, when YOU do something wrong!

Wolfie
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Reply By: Tim M - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 21:20

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 21:20
What about all the gismos that they have on their dash, such as radar speed readout and their new video cameras mounted front and back!
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Reply By: Assegai - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 21:38

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 21:38
The cops argument would probably hold no water!
They have to prove the GPS obstructs vision.
A simple letter explaining that you are going to contest the fine etc and you will being requesting evidence and notes etc would propably see the whole thing dropped.
This is of course if your not being a complete nounce and have a 17" monitor on your dash.
It would be unlikely they'd want to make it a test case based on a 3 to 5 inch PDA screen.
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 21:51

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 21:51
What Tim said plus how about every taxi in WA? Every bus? they all seem to have top of dash mounted displays.

The cops had dash mounted radar readouts from their roof mounted 'rocket launchers' last time I looked too.

Bloody power crazed country wallopers......rod wallopers more like it.
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Reply By: Mike DiD - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 22:45

Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 22:45
The law is quite simple (and for, once logical) - if it obstructs your vision of the road it is illegal.

4WD owners are luckier than sedan drivers. Have look at the bonnet from your normal driving position - if you place any object on the dash so it only obstructs your view of the bonnet - it is not obstruction your vision for driving.

In the lower seating position of a sedan, you have very little space between dash-top and bonnet-edge.

I've seen some navigation displays attached to the windscreen at eye height !!! How on earth would they see and avoid a pedestrian obscured behind it - hopefully that's what Police are stopping.

Mike
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Reply By: Territonnett - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 01:13

Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 01:13
The key word here is Obstructoin!!!!!! It's not aloud to Obstruct the Driver! Put it lower!
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