Hoons becoming a real problem
Submitted: Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 18:19
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Axle
Hi all
Had the windscreen broken on the landy last night , looks like some intelligent moron through a
rock at it from 30 mts away. To make things worse it was parked in my own front yard. As a
young bloke we did some stupid things but always had some respect for other peoples property what ever it might have been. Its hard to follow the mentality of these guys that get a skin full, then cause havoc where ever they go. Taking the cane out of schools was a big mistake, stupid laws make it hard to disciplin our kids, bring out the whip and a size 10 boot up the cyber helps two. Politicans have got to get their heads around this problem.
Cheers, Axle with the chits
Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 18:36
Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 18:36
Hi Axle,
That's not the best news I've heard recently, but Mike (above) has a point. The parents of these $hitheads need just as much punishment as the delinquents that commit such crimes.
If however you were to find the mongrels who did this, and proceed to nut them to teach them a lesson it is you who would get the wrap over the knuckles by the system??? that's what I think the politicians need to address.
Don't put it past one of your neighbours to have seen or even be able to identify the car or hoons who did this, a doorknock may be a good way to introduce yourself to some of your neighbours and find the mongrels as
well.
Good luck and best regards Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Axle - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 19:07
Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 19:07
Trevor
I agree its the system thats gone mad. Did the run around
the block, neighbours were concerned but as usual didnt hear or see anything. trouble is there elderley people and probably not game to point the finger.
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Follow Up By: frontykeeper - Thursday, Feb 16, 2006 at 22:42
Thursday, Feb 16, 2006 at 22:42
trevor,
how can you say the parents should be punished? how do you know that the parents have not done the right thing by teaching them the values of society but the kid has chosen to ignore that.
parents can only instill in their kids the good values and then let the children decide for themselves. one can not police their child's every move.
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Thursday, Feb 16, 2006 at 23:24
Thursday, Feb 16, 2006 at 23:24
frontykeeper,
I agree that not every parent of every delinquent can bourden the blame for their childs actions. However I have been around enough slack parents and delinquent kids to know that some parents should bourden the blame for the lack of parental control. On eof the contracts I fulfill is repairing vending machines, and when you see the damage I do, caused by 8 and 10 yr olds at 2 and 3 in the morning you have to ask WTF are there parents doing.
Cheers Trevor
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 18:43
Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 18:43
Axle,
Don't give them any excuses. They were probably "cold hard sober".
They are so disenfranchised, they just don't give a fig.
After all, what's the courts going to do to them?
What's required?...simple...corporal punishment. In the
home and in the schools.
Nothing like a whack to give a youngster something to think about.
It didn't do me any physiological harm, but sure made me think twice about doing the same thing again.
You know, the teacher I had the most respect for at high school, was the one who wielded the cane now and again. The one you couldn't
bluff.
Boy, that was a "few" years ago!
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Follow Up By: Member - Luxoluk - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 19:42
Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 19:42
Still have vivid memories of stuffing the back pockets with wallet, hankerchief etc...protection against the more sadistic teachers of the day...fear ain't necessarily a bad thing...real character building!!
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Reply By: Ray Bates - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 21:54
Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 21:54
A good thrashing didn't do me any harm or any of my generation. We didn't steel cars, we didn't rob the defenceless, we didn't do grafity, we didn't do drugs, we did have a go at alchahole and smoked a bit and most of all we respected our perents, school teachers and women and girls and pederfiles were not heard of.
I was braught up in the eastend of London and during the blitz of London.
All this vandalism started when the government via the dogooders banned corparal punishment and the courts don't help. I would strongly recomend that the age of responsability be lowered so that those little bleep s that commit crimes can be punished and that the older ones be delt with in the adault courts rather than the childrens court.
I do not believe in capitol punishment but after living in Singapore for a number of years where corporal punishment is carried out, there is very little crime. This could not happen in Australia as our pollies do not have the courage to bring in such a bill
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 22:26
Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 22:26
Very, very true Ray.....
well spoken and I agree with every word.
Cheers
Roachie.....
Axle, sorry to read of your story mate, I can only hope it all comes back together okay and maybe you can find a safer place to park your rig (but you shouldn't HAVE to do so in this great country of ours).
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 23:10
Monday, Feb 13, 2006 at 23:10
Ray,
Similar to you....A good thrashing didn't do me any harm or any of my generation. I had mates who stole cars, like you we didn't rob the defenceless, some of my mates did grafity, I and my friends did drugs, we did have a go at alchahole and smoked a bit and most of all we respected our perents, school teachers and women and girls and pederfiles were (unfortunately) heard of......... BUT the difference between me and my friends (I believe) was that I was totally $hit scared of what my old man would do to me if I done any real crime to someone else's property. What I did to my own was my own downfall as I had to earn and pay for what I owned via w/end jobs. Some of my mates went down the wayside but I chose not to follow to closely, thankfully I can say that IS something my father taught me.
It has so much to do with the parents to a point but if that child runs off the rails after about 15 or 16 then the system needs to accommodate these folk.
My 2 bob worth from a mid 30's guy.
Regards Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 17:55
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 17:55
Agree totally Guy's.
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Reply By: Footloose - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 01:11
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 01:11
Axle. sorry to hear it. I think I know some of what you're going through. I've had vehicles stolen and trashed.
Unfortunatly as a society we are reaping what we've sowed.
As the thread indicates, its a complex problem with emotive issues.
As for the "good old days", they didn't actually exist. Crime was just as bad but we didn't have a telly to let us know. Pedophiles abounded, but few of us knew. The first one I heard about frrom my friends was in 1959.The first person arrested in NSW for drugs was a woman in 1946 !
We feared before we learned respect. It kept many of us from harm, or from a wasted life. But there are different degrees of fear. We don't go to work because we respect our boss, we go to work because we fear what happens if we don't.
The spare the rod or belt the kid arguement is old hat. I'm afraid it's too late for that. By several generations. It's a done deal.
Lower the age of criminal responsibility ? Definately, but to where ? I saw a program where parents are training their kids to shoplift at 6 !
Make the parents responsible for the actions of their kids ? Possibly. But in conjunction, make the agencies that place children in their care, responsible for the kids actions. Then lets how many children are pushed under the umbrella of agencies that simply fund them into anti social misfits, because of their "caseload".
On a more positive note there are more researchers paid peanuts trying to cure diseases, more people concerned about the environment, more people trying to do good in this world than at any time in history.
Question. Where did they come from ?
They were the kids that didn't make the news. Most of them still don't. They were the uncool nerds and anti social misfits that had their heads down and tail up in school and university. They didn't smash windscreens. They didn't murder taxi drivers. Many will never have a lot of money, it doesn't rule their universe. There weren't any human rights lawyers when I grew up.
There's a lot to be said for youth, and not all of it's bad.
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Follow Up By: Michael B - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 11:25
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 11:25
Footloose,
I could not agree more,
well said.
Michael B (SA)
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Reply By: Shaker - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 11:10
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 11:10
It is said "that for every action, there is a reaction".
Unfortunately it no longer applies to the type of problems referred to in the post.
In these days of 'political correctness', even if these vandals are caught there are little or no consequences, so there is absolutely no deterrent to stop them repeat offending.
Children need to be taught, both at
home & in school, that if they offend the standards set by our society, then there will a reaction, & they will be punished.
The lame old excuse of "we have got nothing to do" just doesn't cut ice.
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 22:48
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 22:48
Sorry to hear that Axle but its a never-ending problem. I recall the absolute seething rage I felt when my sons bike was vandalised at
the pool, he was upset I was ready to maim! Know who did it too but the police are hamstrung to a large extent. Kids down the street stole a friends bike and repainted it (with stolen paint probably) and then rode it past his house. When the wallopers were told they said they HAD TO PROVE it was theirs.......
I reckon "responsible" people should be given a 007 licence in the neighbourhood and allowed to help the gene
pool out from time to time, now wouldnt that be a job.
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 22:52
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 22:52
"now wouldnt that be a job"
Depends where you live. You could end up very lonely LOLOLOL
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 22:55
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 22:55
Lonely..... or peaceful?
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 22:58
Tuesday, Feb 14, 2006 at 22:58
Bonz,
Stop - you're making it sound too attractive :)))
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