Got a question for ya all.....

Well, that clears it up.

The massive influx whilst we were there, had drained all the local resources, and it was evident that no real planning had taken place, whereby if permits were issued, then numbers could have been forecast, and extra supplies brought in.

Wolfie

Tho its a facetious point you raise. I dont see why an aboriginal would need a permit to travel through another tribes lands..

Its just not how the whole things works son.

Ah, revhead307 - clearly, you have not visited Europe.

Mike Harding

"your refering to the rule for US...not THEM."

As long as the US and THEM mentality is perpetuated problems will never be solved.

Very Sad.

Jim.

thats right Jim, so why do I as an Australian, need a permit to travel "anywhere" in "AUSTRALIA"

To be quite honest .... I would rather not be let out of jail for a spearing.

Goughy,

There are many places in Australia that you are not allowed into at all.

Do you you allow open access to your land? I'm going to deal fairly harshly with anyone who trespasses on my property.

Owners of land have a right to decide who they let onto their land. That they are black and live in large groups (as they always have) on THEIR land doesn't make it any less property than your, or my, backyard.

Are you getting it?

Jim, I know there are "many places in Australia that you are not allowed into at all" I asked why "us" need a permit & the other "them" (from other tribes) don't, Aren't we all Aussies?, I agree about the "us & Them" comment you made, but who is doing it, "us" are being told we need a permit to go on a gazetted road in a road reserve through "their" land.
if that worked that way for the "us" only around here, station owners would be locked in to their propertys or spend half a day on the phone or driving miles out of their way to the homesteads aquiring permits to go through their next door neighbours places via a gazetted road to get to town to do their shopping... do you get my point???
I'm not talking about cutting someones fence here & go charging through their house block, 5 acre/20 acre/600 acre place, setting up camp & staying for a week, I'm talking about road & camping reserves & stock routes that go through thousands of acres.
you will also find it is fact there are different rules, they include the hunting rights, 2% house loans, free legal representation & that is just an example of the laws for Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islanders under Australian law, they also have their tribal laws, which is what Revhead307 was originally talking about...
if I had 20,000 acres of great fishing, sight seeing & camping spots in a remote area, local government would be quite welcome to cut a road reserve right through my property for any one to get access to these spots like a lot of the stations do up here...
take this how you like, my murrie mates know where I stand on racism & they agree....

QUOTE: "Do you you allow open access to your land?"

NO, but I pay rates & maintain it!

Could be construed as such.

I was wanting to know, how planning, policing, and infrastructure copes, with what appears to be transient travel, which is spasmodic.

When we arrived at Kalka, we had to wait outside of the community, whilst one person went in, and organised things. this took about half of an hour.

At Amata, we just rocked up, and that was all there was to it.

Seems like some areas are more sensitive than others, and I was wondering if it was the same for all and sundry.

We had permits, and had to follow the rules, which we did.

Wolfie

Actually it seems a perfectly reasonable question to me - one I had never thought of and am interested to hear, what I assume is, the correct answer above. Or is it no longer acceptable to ask "difficult" questions?

Now: on another thread about Broome - there were instant allegations of racism but I don't think anyone would argue that Aborigines from (say) Broome have much in common with Aborigines from (say) Victoria - my understanding is that the tribes lived quite separately and, indeed, were hostile to one-another from time-to-time, as tribal cultures usually are. So I must say this does look rather like a decision based purely on racial grounds. Perhaps someone could explain why it isn't?

Mike Harding

Most of these pages are WA based, but I get the picture, well, sort of...

Cheers

Wolfie

Otherwise, I do like your method of Parambulation. It's a 4wheeler too.
Pity it's not Rosey in colour

Mate, all aboriginal communities are different. Just like all white places. I can rock on down to the surf club in thongs no worries. But I've been asked to put my jacket back on in a toffee nosed resteurant because I was "embarrassing the other patrons" (no I'm not the Hunchback of Notre Dame). I look at it as a matter of courtesy. I wouldnt like a convoy of 4wds camping in my backyard without permission, why should anyone else ?
Personally I find anything that makes a landholder happy usually works for me also :))

Des Lecix

WTF are you talking about?

I had an interesting letter from a legal person once stating that I would most likely not appreciate traffic through my back yard by aboriginal people just as they would not like it for me to access their back yard(albeit 20,000 square kilkometres in size and a gazetted through road passing through) without due permission.

We can go round and round in circles apportioning blame and calling others racists etc until the cows come home. Everyone has an opinion on this.

An interesting program on SBS not so long ago said that RACE was invented by the Americans a while back(100 or so years ago) and others such as Hitler in the 1930's and the South African Government of 1948 took it on board to further their own ideology.

In the programs opinion there was actually no such thing as RACE. We are all the same.

I doubt if it has been tested yet but we do have a Racial Vilification Act here in Australia don't we? No doubt they will be a bylaw or alteration to the various acts covering Native Title etc.

One has to be a learned person to get around legally these days or on the other hand, just not care and do your own thing.

An opinion

Absaluuuuuuuuuute crap otherwise race was not invented by the yanks. if you are christion you would believe it was invented by god (tower of babel) but it gos back much further nd is much deeper than the cafe latte city dwellers would believe it is not just indeginous vs whites. Heck the biggest race riots locally would put aussies vs lebbos to shame it is in fact black vs black eg morapai vs the displaced northetrn aboriginals by floods. And lets not even mention the black vs black race riots at Mt Magnet and Leonora. No otherwise stick to the city and bury our head in the sand coz it doesnt happen that way out here

Ahhhh...the man from out the west vents his spleen once again

Have you ever had a Café Latte?

C'mon Davoe. Never drink and post. Your words!!!

And a gunny of red and a square bear shared lets ya go anywhere !

And never a truer word was spoken.

Mike Harding