For Owners /Intended Owners of Cooper Tyres Only

Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 22:13
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Evening Trendsetters

Whilst endeavouring to identify a 'slight hiccup' with the worlds best JEEP I cam across the following URLS/Links re Cooper Tyres.

Absolutely facinating reading. They are as follows with one leading into the other.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recalls04/2006/cooper.html

http://www.tiredefects.com/cooper/Default.htm

http://www.onlinelawyersource.com/cooper_tires/problems.html

http://www.coopertire.com/us/en/corporate/news/news-release.asp?id=486

Make of it what you will, but I now have 'thoughts' as to what caused the two Cooper tyres to shred whilst on bitumen, on the same trip, attached to Disco of the guy who posted here approx 2 months.

In view of the above I have to declare that I have a set of ST'S that I have flogged all over central Australia without a hiccup.
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Reply By: Steve - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 22:30

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 22:30
Haven't read any of those links...but as a worker on the floor in a tyre shop....and I have a few grey hair to prove my experience...and having seen the problems that users of Cooper Tires in Australia have had...well the last thing I would use in the bush or bitumen ...yep.. you got it in one Coopers ....not worth a penny worth of cats bleep ....and any amount of free beer and freebie night wont change my beliefs !!!
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Follow Up By: arthurking83 - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 23:00

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 23:00
I agree with your sentiments Steve, but I gotta ask why...(as you're in the manufacturing indusry???)

As I'm only in the "user industry", and I tend to travel lots of K's per year, and tend to drive my Rodeo kinda hard too(as a courier).

I believe in value for money...... the 120K klms I get from the cheapo Chinese tyres, with better grip than most name brands to boot, and generally at around $80-100 cheaper per tyre, suits me just fine.

I don't NEED Coopers $230 'quality' tyres, buring a hole in my pocket every 12 months!!

As I tend to flog the tyres on a yearly basis, I want CHEAP!!
But never cheap SHIP!! :)

The Falkens(ST's??) I'm squealing and slithering around on, at the moment are the worst tyre I've ever had. At $10 per tyre(@ $150!!) more than my beloved Chinese(s)
Thanks Christ,they are only going to last about 70-75thou(ish) klms :))

cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew W (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 23:08

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 23:08
Chinese A/T or M/T tyres?
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Follow Up By: Member - Blue (VIC) - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 23:19

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 23:19
Agree with you Arthurking... got talked into a set of Nankang EX601's for the family wagon(Falcon)... At 225/60/15 and $105/tyre I was sceptical... Bloke who sold them to me was a mate of a mate and assured me they were a good tyre... 60,000k's later and just under half tread depth left, they are very well mannered in both wet and dry conditions...
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Reply By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 23:06

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2006 at 23:06
arthurking83,
What is the brand and size of your cheap chinese tyres. I will be looking for a set in the near future, and it's good to get others views of what they have and have used. Cheers

Greg
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Reply By: South - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 01:41

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 01:41
Change the name Cooper to BFG or Goodyear or Michelin or Hankook et cetra and you will find the same kind of thing all over the world.

When man invents a tyre that suits everyones needs and lasts for ever with no punctures or torn lugs or the cause of hundreds of deaths, we will all be producing the next batch of fossil fuel...
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Reply By: Member - Bware - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 03:28

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 03:28
I was an 'intended owner', even though I thought it was a bit of a lucky dip. What worries me are the reports that this is common practice in the tyre industry. The fact that we may spend $1000+ on these brands due to marketing, but there maybe cheaper brands that are just as reliable or better from China (as referred to in other responses to this post), just makes it MORE of a lucky dip!
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Reply By: Willem - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 06:57

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 06:57
Hello Ms Lucy

Yeah I read all of the links.

I suppose 288,000 tyres recalled out of 40,000,000 is .07% of production. Not even a drop in the ocean.

I hope my new Cooper STT's are not from any of those batches...lol

Cheers
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Reply By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 09:31

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 09:31
This my opinion on coopers they chip more than any tyre I have seen.

All the best
Eric
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 09:52

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 09:52
Eric, you're not wrong, my Coopers chipped & tore unbelievably, I now have Firestone RMTs that have done all the same tracks, similar Outback trip & not a single chip, & the good news is they were about $75.00 per tyre cheaper!
BTW, I had to take the Coopers off at about 23,000kms because I thought they were dangerous & the Cooper dealer told me that they were of no value to trade in ..... nice!
After seeing the damaged tyres recently on this forum, I'm glad that I did take them off.
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Follow Up By: Eric from Cape York Connections - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 10:12

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 10:12
We have people on every trip that use coopers and a lot brand new before the trip.
Our trip is approx 2700 ks at the end I have a look at the coopers but I do it so no one knows If you know what I mean.
Nine out of ten times I cant believe how chipped they are.
I am no way linked or get sponsored by any tyre company but my wranglers mtrs have done about 10 or so cape trips and others and are missing a few bits of lugs etc but that is to expected.
Some of the coopers are a mess after one trip.

Just a few thoughts I don't want to get in a slanging match but its just what I see.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew W (SA) - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 19:18

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 19:18
Shaker - it's surprising the Cooper dealer didn't work to get you a warranty replacement.

Eric - you might be a more careful driver than the average Pitt St Farmer.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Feb 23, 2006 at 10:02

Thursday, Feb 23, 2006 at 10:02
The Cooper was not very cooperative, they like most Cooper dealers that I have come across, were fiercely defensive of the product & wanting to apportion all blame on the user.
I found the Cooper rep (State manager) to be obliging & quick to make empty promises.
Nobody was happier than I was when I had my $1200 worth of Cooper tyres fitted, but what a let down, both by the product & the company!
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Feb 23, 2006 at 11:05

Thursday, Feb 23, 2006 at 11:05
Sorry my typo ..... read that as --- The Cooper dealer was not etc etc
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Reply By: RustyHelen - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 09:45

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 09:45
I think if we are going to "attack" something we have to be even handed about it. This statement is from one of the people who testified at the case mentioned in the second link.

"I think they're all the same. It wouldn't matter if it's Goodyear, Cooper, Firestone, whatever, they're all made the same," he said.

And yes we drive on Coopers ST's on the Paj and ST/R's on the Feroza. First set on both cars and happy at this stage.
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Reply By: Member - Omaroo (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 10:11

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 10:11
Although I haven't done any gibber-strewn roads on my set of Cooper ST's - I've done plenty of rough trail work on them. They now have 70,000km up and have only a couple of small chips. They still have another 20,000 plus left - no problem.

They are a tad expensive I think - but 90+ kays is OK in my book.

I think I'm going for Michelin XZY's next. A great tyre - but again, expensive.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 11:51

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 11:51
None of the bad news with regards to Cooper is anything unusual except perhaps for the sloppy manf issues. All tire brands have had their share of bad news, heck what was the case some years back in the USA where Firestone or someone were being sued over Ford SUV's that wer having serious accidents etc.? Anyone remember..? Anyhow I have the ATR's on a new Hilux, 20,000km's so far and no signs of unusual wear. I think the tire is great, very quiet and grips well. Everybody will have their favourites and I thought in these forums the Cooper's always rated very popular.
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Reply By: DARREN - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 13:06

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 13:06
Had my ST's 285/75/16 on my GU for just over 80,000 (rotating spare with others) and it looks like they will do 100,000 (so 80,000 if considering 4 tyres only). Been to Cape york but most other work has been mild. Horses for courses but for someone like me who does not waht to drive a noisy tyred monster truck to work but still have some grip when needed off road they are a great comprimise tyre.
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Reply By: Wizard1 - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 15:49

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 15:49
'Lucy'
appreciate the effort you went to to gather as much bad press about Coopers as you could. However the first thing I noticed was they were all tyres that are not generally available in Australia, except one that mentioned Discoverer STT. They all seemed to be passenger car tyres.

I rate the Coopers. Have had a set os ATs now for over 40000 km (our original Grandtreks didn't last that long). We've done the Oodnadatta Track, Roper Hwy and numerous tracks and roads in the NT. Not a single chip. They wear well and are great off road.

Indeed a recent dealing with Cooper Tyres proved to be one of the most impressive display of customer service support I have ever experienced.

My next set of tyres will also be Coopers. A mate had BFG on his Patrol and had 2 blowouts on one trip. The worst I've had is a puncture caused by the only blo!@y screw on the Oodnadatta Track!

Every product/manufacturer has a bad day (or series of them). Look at the GUII 3.0 TD as an example. Doesn't mean they don't take steps for improvement... I'm sure a company the size of Cooper with a reputation at stake would take those types of initiatives.

Wizard
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 16:25

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 16:25
If everything is a perfect as you state, why did you need customer service support?

BTW the problems haven't been associated with the ATs, mainly the STs.
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Follow Up By: Wizard1 - Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 13:18

Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 13:18
The customer service was regarding my vehicle's inability to track correctly after fitting the Coopers. It seemed I needed an extra 1 degree to compensate for raod camber that Toyota had forgot to put in their specs.

The tyres are fine, sorry to burst your sceptic's bubble...indeed I prefered to follow the issue up wiht Cooper after numerous failed attempts at wheel alignment as I like the tyres, did not want to replace them and want more when these wear out, which as I mentioned will be long after a set of Grandteks would have lasted....

Like to eternal debate about Toyota V Nissan, Waeco V Engel, just accept that people buy a product that provides them with the obvious value and performance that they sought. Bad press or not I like Cooper Tyres...Out
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 17:26

Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 17:26
I would wonder why it tracked correctly prior to fitting Coopers.

I don't care what brands people use or buy ....... but when I am blatantly lied to & cheated, I will make it known!
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 15:57

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 15:57
If Coopers tires were no good, then no vehicle manufacturer would fit them as original equipment.....
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Follow Up By: Andrew (Whyalla SA) - Thursday, Feb 23, 2006 at 12:27

Thursday, Feb 23, 2006 at 12:27
Nice one Phil. subtle..... LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Feb 23, 2006 at 20:11

Thursday, Feb 23, 2006 at 20:11
Subtle - yes. I was almost worried it was too subtle :-)))
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 17:45

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 17:45
Any company who calls tyres tires must be sus I reckon, on the other hand I have been gifted two new Coopers so I am marginally happy
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Follow Up By: Wizard1 - Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 13:20

Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 13:20
In the US that is how they spell tyre....nothing sus about it..
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 18:16

Friday, Feb 24, 2006 at 18:16
Thats what "they" want you to believe Wiz. We are constanty being hoodwinked by Grammar Nazi's too lazy to find out how things are correctly spelt and sayed.
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Reply By: arthurking83 - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 19:53

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2006 at 19:53
I think the first set of chinese tyres were called 'Road Champ', maybe 'Chen Shing' ???
AT's, but road orientated AT's, if that makes sense?
Large block patterns, with straight grooves, definitely not highway tyres.
(The Falkens are ST ??)

For some reason those names stick in my mind.....

I tend to drive according to the condition of my vehicle.

eg. after a service the car feels much smoother, and the engine pulls a little bit harder. I find I'm accelerating more.
As the car nears the service interval, it begins to flat spot(a common problem in LPG vehicles where the valves are recessing!!)
Changing oil (or adjusting the valve shims) will stop that!

When I got the first set of chinese tyres I was very cautious in wet conditions.....
('lil ol granny Rodeo driver)
As I realised that I could push more and more, I tended to find I was having a ball when the rains came, at some ridiculous speeds!

Then the second set of chinese tyres felt similar (different brand though) and I found myself flying all over the place!!
(Yep, the dual cab Rodeo on 31x10.5's, fishtailing in the wet around suburban Melbourne was probably me.... having fun!! :o )

These incompetent Falkens I currently have, squeal in the dry at 20 km/h around roundabouts, and don't dare touch the go pedal!! :(

Pressures have been adjusted from between 30psi - 44psi......... :/

The main problem is inconsistent handling, in the wet, from severe understeer to oversteer without warning!
Luckily the speeds are so low that it's easily controlable.....but very tiring when I'm in cruise mode
IMHO, I believe the tyres were bad from day one, as I remember last February we had one of the wettest in Melb, and the (chinese) tyres I had were at the end of their useful life (after 100,000 klms), and about 1mm of tread.
The car flicked sideways coming onto a freeway on-ramp @ about 80km/h, and I thought time to get some new ones.
The new Falkens immediately seems more slippery (I just though..."They're new, needs time to wear a little!")
They have never seemed to recover, always sqealing, never felt sticky in the wet! :((

I got these Falkens because of the set I had on a Rover car I had years back. Good tyres!
But I made the mistake of assuming that one manufacturer was going to make a reasonable tyre throughout the tyre range!

I had bad experiences with Indonesian car tyres.....never again!

:)
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Follow Up By: Member - TPM (SA) - Thursday, Feb 23, 2006 at 21:20

Thursday, Feb 23, 2006 at 21:20
Hi Lucy,

That was very interesting reading ! I used to work in a retread factory ( truck tyres ) most of the employees didnt give a damn about quality only how long to knock off.I dont blame them about wanting to knock off, it was hard to happy in such a horrible work place. The Factory was ok but the smell and heat was extreme. It was frightening how much damage was cut out and replaced with liquid rubber and the condition of the carcass that had a new tread installed. Alot went through the system that should never of passed. I think that explains why the highways are littered with old retread debris !
It was very interesting to see what the tyres were made of also. The cheaper brands use more fibre ( almost hessan looking ) in their carcass and the expensive ones more steel webbing.The cheaper ones always came back for gaurentee work and repairs.

One thing I now realise is that tyre and 4wd brand choice is like religion.
It is very easy to offend people if you " believe" in the wrong one and they always want to convert you the the " better" side. Sometimes I am suprised wars are not conducted over tyres !!! : ))) LOL

Look out !! the Tyrerists are coming !!!! LOL. I am going to stick to what has worked for me in the past which happens to be XXX, LOL : ))

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