The RANT thread...

Amazing - build a 4x4 you must be joking!. We buy them here in Oz mate....not make em (so they tell me...)

You go into the car shop - say to the nice man I wanna buy a fourby and he sells it to ya - or rips ya off....LOL :)))

I "just walk in" and try to get the TRUTH! Without having to be sucked into a drama via having to return an inferior product.

the whole story would be nice , intead of snippets .

were , what part ? what went wrong .

Geees get with the program son lol

Ok then:

1983 Patrol MQ
253 holden red 4bl
3' ext dual
stock clearance
dual fuel

The project (for now)

510 Dinosaur dropping in
need trans to handle
need 450mm clear from LPG tank
need to communicate with someone who can read a blue print!

"what do you need you 4wd to do?" Go here...Go there :)

1983 MQ and you want to run a elephant 510 lol and you are conserned about cost ? lol

for starters if i can go by the weight of my 502 in caddy , I an tell you that its going to take more than a few bucks here to get part RTA ( road traffic authority ) .

Questons ,

1/ standard crate engine or HP ?

2/ do you want to drive it on the streat ?

3/are you willing to trow 15 to 20 k into the project ?

before you spend your bucks , havea look at saudi arabi , there are heaps of trucks there , already done with 540's and 8/71 ect ect.

Anything can be done , if your willing to give it a go .

answer some of these questions , and we might be able to help.

Ok I will bite, This better not be another one of those bord Prank internet posters looking for Amusement.

1. First up a 253 is a pretty good pulling motor to start with. 510Ci are you serous you will need a 300ltr Fuel tank minimum to take it anywhere out of the metro aria.

If I were you I would look at working the 253 a little or dropping in a late model Fuel injected 308 Holden or 302-ford engine, if you get your hands on a Late 2002 Tick ford 5LTr with the GT40 heads you looking at 220KW with 420Nm of toque with a new Pro-Formance cam Valve sprig’s Extractors and 1.7 roller rockers you will push that to 250Kw+ Chip it and get some more head work done / aftermarket heads and who know where you will end up. Or even an early Gen 3 V8 225Kw, it’s a 4WD how much power do you need.

Personally I would go a 6.5 Chevy diesel.

Get a 5Ltr Ford racing crate motor I could go on but you do not need 510Ci of engine in a 4WD!!!.

For 302 or 308 and 6.5 option you can get gearbox adaptor plates to take the convention I believe.

2. 4-inch lifts with some 33 or 35’s will get you just about anywhere you want to go

3. For Diffs ARB Air Locker in the rear and Detroit up front

Good luck getting that approved for road use as well by the way.

I would call the good people at 4WD monthly they would be more than happy hear from you and will do a story on you 4WD too I bet!!

Rock how the hell did you get a 68 caddy in OZ...is it right hand drive?

its a 1970 deville roadster , white on white ( boss hog special lol )

have owned the car for 14 years now , restored it when i first got it , needs a little tlc again and its getting it this winter. Nothing serieous , new soft top is on order and minor body touch ups , other than that its pretty tip top.

yes right hand drive

Nice Rock, right drive Caddy... I have never seen one since I've been here.

Seeing this whole "rant" thing is totally out of controle I might as well speak some car before this thread implodes.

Had a 58' Olds, Eighty Eight that ran beach runs when it was new (lived in Daytona) all original race set: J-2 option, three speed on the collum, no radio just a plate, 12 bolt posi...

That car payed from my trip here....best investment i ever made!

http://www.oldsmobile1958.com/

Later on...this thread is trash.

had a 72 eldorado , but couldnt stomac the front wheel drive , was funny to see a 2o foot caddy smoke the front wheels thow lol . when I was a young buck . I had restored a 1970 fastback , wish I had it now .

great it's ppl like you I ran away from...your real home is in the States...you just dont know it yet!

hahaha...thats telling him numatic ...i like that hahaha

you see....this is the problem...prejudgement

I do not walk in knowing every thing!!...did not I just say I know NOTHING ABOUT 4WD!!!!

I am pray....I can not be screwed if I buy engine products...but I can be screwed if I buy almost anything else 4wd becouse I KNOW NOTHING!!!

"...you see....this is the problem...prejudgement..."

So....every place that you walk into, both here and in the US seems to prejudge YOU, and only seems interested in taking your money, eh????? Mmmmm...'kay. I think we can see where the prejudgement comes in......

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Read "Simple answer" 1, 1, 1, 4, 2 and 5, in that order.

If you haven't got the time to do "1" then expect to be taken for a ride as a timewaster, you are CHOOSING to be ignorant.

No one will bite your head off if you say "Please explain".

issues ? you come in half cocked , with half a story that makes no sence , you have answered none of the questions to the people who tried to help yet we have the issues .

Bloody hell

Mate , do you want help or not ?

or is this a crap post ?

for sure help would be nice Rock...just trying to rough (smooth) out the static that had arisen.

My most important issue is knowledge on front suspension linkages. I need to convert from leafs to coils without losing steering geometry...I need this info in paper form to understand it....

ok , you might not like the idea , but whynot up grade to a GQ , at least this issue is taken care off , I cant see money been the issue , since you want to go with some serieous yankie musle.

if it must be a MQ , then transplant the shell on a gq chassis . this way you avoid a very expensive and in my eyes ,pointless exersise . No Ptrol box will handle the torque of a 510 , you will have to go Yank box with adapter for the transfer case.

hope this helps some what .

I have been modifing 4by's for a while , so if yuu need any info I can be contacted by email

wholesalecars AT optusnet DOT com DOT au

will do...ty Rock!

"RANT POST.........AD YOUR OWN RANTS AT WILL" - well you asked for it. You should know by now that the strong survive and the week (or inexperienced) are fair game.. YOU SAID IT YOURSELF..

What people are saying to you is tell the story - don't embellish with "I used to build very fast cars in the States"....... No one cares - all we are interested in is what this forum is about. I too have had my small share of niggles but that is what it is all about. Mike Harding very aptly said the other day in a post "we are not really like this in the person". That is the truth.
Don't take too many of the comments seriously...

As far as racial connotation goes I for one react strongly to that.. enough said on that issue. Lets move on.

I will agree that it is not easy and I also have done the rounds to learn so I and they do understand your plight. As I said - tell the story - ask the questions etc....NO BS...Okay!

Dam straight, I am an Australian I do my upmost to offend all Minority’s Equally LOL.

Ok then Crazy...what it is all about: (well, at first it was just fun)

I speak in code.

It is a warning to newcommers and/or buyers...be carfull ANY WARE in the "industry"....global.

I clame all right to bitch and mone. The "newcommers" can come in alot of forms...want-a-bees, buyers, distrib's, manufactures.

Think about this...(i even joked about this on this site)...An intake manifold, carburated or injected which produces 110 efficency through 800-10,000 RPM range. Imagine if this was available tomorrow...would you buy it? Yep..you would. But it is impossible right? Nope, I produced it...spent four years in the board rooms of Crane, Holley, Edelbrock, Barry Grant, Yattes, Roush Racing, Willson Manifods....It's all ego, no one wants something THEY did not come up with. And so we sit here in the aftermarket blackhole.

THAT is a rant...but not why I started this thread....I was originally having fun, thought ppl would goin in.

Im just some words on a screen...do you belive them...who cares!

Not going to bother anymore......:)))))

well....Baja, that is a whole other story ;)

he's up there with some of the best on this site lol lol

Gramps.....do you know Prima?

I "feel" like I have met you before in a kind of Ellemental way...

opps sorry rev hit the wrong follow-up

By answering the Prima query I may give the game away. We may very well have met in an Ellemental way ..... I tend to run with the 'twisted' in this world :))))

Well thanks Gramps I feel less straight now.

Kind regards

Hahahaha Beatit. It's called being normal. The sane ones are definitely in the minority :))))

"May Pneumatic benefit from your local knowledge."

Are you kidding? Give this guy a week and I'm sure he'll "produce" a 1000hp comp winning rock crawling machine that will cruise noislessly & comfortably from here to melbourne using only 5ltrs of LPG.....with the aircon on!

Avagoodn
Pezza

IF YOU GOT THE CASH I GOT THE MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeff H,

Yes and undecided :))))))

a click outside Sydney

who knows I may have even been here for more than 40,000 years...

I'll open the gate for you

you really dont get it do you

ummm....i think I do

I'll get you a beer to sir...

how about a table of 2 overlooking The Rock...

Yes massa anything for your Yank dollar........ooppppsss did I say that!

so " how the bloddy hell are YOU?"

hiya Pneumatic

aside from what this thread was originally about, I saw you owned a 58 Olds, we own several Olds' mainly 20s and 30s though, the Oldsmobile club of Aust are holding their national meet this year in the barossa, not sure if anyone in the club has a 58, but there are some great looking vehicles owned by members..

cheers

Lyn

>>> I did not start this thread war ..BUT I CAN END IT!!!

Im officaly scared, is anyone else?

School holidays again already is it?

man (girl, whatever) i was never going to open this thread again unti a got the email loop for this.LMMFAO

What the hell is a SWMBO ...does your Single Whits Boyfiend have B.O.

holly crap im totally on the floor here!

All you idiots just dont get it.....really....READ MY FIRST POST S-L-O-W-L-Y...it will make sense.

Pararphrased in a nutshell........

"... I wish I had the time to research more so I didn’t have to “take someone’s word” but rebuild times are huge....", then you've got the time, right??? What is an extra 3-4 weeks on a one year build, if it is going to save you several thousand dollars?

What do I know about what you're going though? I'm getting a few "minor " modifications done to a Kia Sportage (cut/edited from another forum I'm on)

"The list of new parts

Holden (GM Buick) 3.8L V6 (~157 kw/304 Nm = 210 hp/225 lbf.ft)
Recoed/strengthened 4L60E transmission + stage two converter manual shift
Adapter from 4L60E to Tcase
Toyota Tacoma (Hilux) gear drive Tcase with 4.7:1 gears, 2-low "twin stick" mod (not a true twin - no rear disconnect)
Nissan Patrol GQ f&r diffs (about the same size as a Dana 60 - 9.25" R&P, 1.5" 31/33 spline axles, rear locker already in. (same H233 diffs in your large Nissans))
Redesign and construction of front and rear suspension
Simex Extreme Trekker 35x11.5 tyres on 15" rims

Everything else that is needed has been included into the labor charge, things like new suspension, brake lines, power steering box to accommodate the front axle being pushed fwd 3", exhaust, custom length driveshafts, and the like, generally the other bits that you won't know you will need until you are in there. Also includes the auto electricals and any basic panel work needed. Basically drive in-drive out."

I have spent the better part of one year researching sizes, parts compatability, and as many of the big and little details as possible, discussing on several forums the pros/cons of different solutions, educating myself about suspension geometry to a level that I am comfortable with, etc, etc. All in all, a very steep learing curve.

There are a couple of sites available on the net that will be able to help you, but only if YOU are prepared to do the right thing and STFU, listen, and learn. Any attempt at the sort of attitude (RANT) you have displayed here will leave your computer as a pile of smoulering ash on your desk from the flaming you will get. Be warned, they have a "Search" button, and "Bibles" on most models of vehicles, AND EXPECT YOU TO USE THEM FIRST!! There is a heap of tech info available (too much to be answering the same old Q's over and over and over), and intelligent, knowledgable ppl to bounce ideas off.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/index.php

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SWMBO??? have a look at the tab on the bottom of the page (when reading posts) marked "Abbreviations", or Google it (it's common enough on the internet).

In Australia we don't really have the need to give ourselves coronaries at the age of 35............Lose the attitude, lighten up, and slow down. No one will mind.

Hey GaryInOz,

SWMBO is NOT in the abreviations.

But it should be or she may be anoyed (are you listening David ?)

"... or Google it ..."

>"All you idiots just dont get it.....really...."

Idiots???????

Yep..... you really ARE an American!

YA right there Brian!
... and they cant understand why they are the most hated race on earth ..

Then again it is only a bored schoolkid thats here and been banned quite regularly IMGO.

I think you might be barking up the wrong tree Brad - the syntax is all wrong. I think the 'gentleman' making all the accusations is definitely American.